Kerfuffle

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[–] Kerfuffle 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes I used to roast at home several times a week on a Behmor machine.

Did you try other methods like oven roasting them though? If not, it may be hard to compare.

There’s a reason all the at-home machines (and commercial machines for that matter) have smoke suppression…

Well sure, obviously it's a useful feature. The fact that a feature exists doesn't mean it's absolutely necessary and you can't live without it, though.

Also, like I mentioned, darker roasts are going to produce more smoke. A lot of people do like dark roasts. I advised using a light or medium roast in my initial post though. Basically, people can try it out and experiment, see what levels of smoke/etc they're comfortable with. Maybe they'll find that their preferred roast level produces too much smoke — that's certainly possible. Someone who wants to give it a shot doesn't have to commit to roasting their own coffee for the rest of their life.

[–] Kerfuffle 4 points 1 year ago

Seems like "JioOS" is Android-based, so this appears to pretty much be a Chromebook.

[–] Kerfuffle 3 points 1 year ago

I think their point was that gas ovens would always have some kind of ventilation to make the smoke less of an issue while electric ovens might not have a fan at all (like mine).

[–] Kerfuffle 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I imagine it’s a much more intensive process, but this kind of makes me want to ferment my own black tea.

Haha, definitely sounds like it. I found these pretty clear instructions: https://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/FST-26.pdf

Just the "gather your tea shoots in a muslin ~~back~~ bag and kneed for 10 minutes" is already more work than roasting coffee even before you read the next sentence "repeat this process 4 times" and then all the other steps.

Think I'll leave that one to the professionals.

[–] Kerfuffle 2 points 1 year ago

Just for price comparison, I bought a 5lb (~2.25kg) bag of organic, fair trade beans for $44USD (back near the end of June and I still have 1/2-1/3 left drinking a pot of coffee most days). So unlike avocado toast, you won't have to take out a loan or pool your resources with the neighborhood to buy it.

There's a good chance it would be more expensive in Finland than the US. Look on the bright side though, even if you might pay a bit more for your coffee at least you don't have to worry about just being left to die if you run into medical issues. Can't enjoy tasty fresh roasted coffee if you're dead, after all.

[–] Kerfuffle 2 points 1 year ago

The other person was correct, it's electric.

[–] Kerfuffle 3 points 1 year ago

Interestingly, the article linked said that lighter roasts (their metric was by color, but basically it translates to a lighter roast) had more and then the amount gradually decreased after peaking as roasting continued.

It does mention that none of the coffee samples regardless of roast exceeded the EU's recommended check values. So we probably don't need to panic. I'm also a bit skeptical of the other person's claim about commercial roasters avoiding the issue, especially since it was instantly debunked.

[–] Kerfuffle 5 points 1 year ago

but the reality is the time and effort required would not outweigh the cost, quality and consistency of a local roaster

It really depends on how high your standards are but even my very first attempt tasted like good coffee (to me - admittedly I am not a coffee gourmet by any stretch). It honestly was far easier and less intimidating than I imagined. I'd say the effort level compares to making a batch of pancakes or maybe something like oatmeal cookies which you just mix up and drop onto the cookie sheet.

The post is long because I wanted to make sure everything was clear and answer potential questions in advance.

[–] Kerfuffle 6 points 1 year ago

It’s a great hobby dont get me wrong, but the way this post is phrased makes it seem like you’ll be getting amazing results from the get go.

Before I started roasting my beans, I usually bought pretty good quality freshly roasted coffee. For example, something like this: https://www.freshroastedcoffee.com/products/ethiopian-yirgacheffe-fto-coffee

It's not what millionaires would drink, but it's still much higher quality than the random stuff you'd buy in the grocery store. So far, every batch I've roasted myself so far compares and tastes like good coffee to me.

"Mastering" it and achieving a perfect roast that a true coffee gourmet will say is 10/10 probably is quite difficult to master. Darker roasts are also harder to get right also (at that point it's easy to burn the beans). I think achieving the level where a normal person will say "this is pretty tasty coffee" is not difficult at all though.

[–] Kerfuffle 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

but you’re gonna get a lot of smoke roasting beans in your electric oven

There's really not much smoke with light/medium roasts. My kitchen is pretty small and there's a smoke alarm on the wall that doesn't even get set off. For dark roasts it could be a bigger issue.

Prolonged exposure will lead to “popcorn lung”.

There's 5-10 minutes at most when the beans will actually be smoking and you're not going to be roasting every day. 2 cups of green beans makes about a pint jar of roasted coffee. I drink a pot of coffee every day and it lasts more than a week.

Also, you’re gonna melt some plastic colanders if you drop coffee beans into them right out of a 400-500 degree oven.

I specifically said not to do that. :)

If you want to try roasting coffee beans at home once or twice on the cheap, you’re better off

Have you ever actually done it? Not to be confrontational, but I think you're really overestimating the issues. Also, if someone is just doing it once or twice, then long term effects like "popcorn lung" aren't going to matter.

[–] Kerfuffle 1 points 1 year ago

I thought its mode of operation is always “continue the provided text”

I haven't played with trying to use it for conversation like stuff so I can't say anything about whether it's "particularly good" or not. However, "continue the provided text" doesn't preclude conversational stuff. If you give it enough of an example of the "conversation", even non-conversation tuned models will complete it. They'll write both sides of the conversation if you let them, but you can use stuff like reverse prompts to return control what it's your "turn".

I'd guess the chat tuned models are kind of more aimed at question/answer and specifically providing accurate and helpful answers rather than just dialog in general as well.

[–] Kerfuffle 10 points 1 year ago

The R5 230 is a super old graphics card. I wonder if it’s built into the board like a laptop

The hardware, which primarily targets software developers wanting to compile on a native RISC-V system, is priced at $1,199 for the motherboard with processor and a cooling heatsink; a $1,999 ready-to-run bundle adds a case, power supply, 128GB of DDR4 memory, a 1TB SSD, an Intel X520-T2 two-port 10-gig-Ethernet network card, and an AMD R5 230 graphics card.

Almost certainly not since you can get the motherboard/cooler/CPU without it.

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