I don't see how you could see my original claim of
"Humans are laboring creatures"
Respond to it with
"Humans need to labor in order to make food to survive"
And still come from a place of disagreement.
Never did I claim "people work just to work". We don't see people spending every waking hour outside making mud pies. We don't see people spending entire days moving 100-ton blocks from one side of town to the other just for the hell of it.
Agreed. Thats why I never made the claim that people have a natural urge to get yelled at by a shitty manager in an exploitative fast food gig. No one is saying that here.
The situation you describe is an illustration of alienation in the workplace, and this happens when workers lose the means of production. All of the comments in this thread tiptoe around this idea - for which there have been volumes of thought written btw.
My issue with the meme is that it is ahistorical and can distract people away from the concept of alienation. The capitalist class pays us not because we are "naturally opposed to working" (which is the thesis of the meme), but because it is unbearable to work in an alienating environment, which, as you perfectly explained, abstracts us away from the products we create, compartmentalizes our work, and violently separated us from working for our families or communities.
How does this explain early societies and people that opted to work to improve their environment before money was invented?
I disagree. We do just want to work. That's what makes us human. We labor.
You will never see that because liberal democrats like Joe Biden hold civility and precedent with more primacy than halting a fascist uprising. This is why leftists claim that liberals always fall in line with fascism.
Is it a step in the right direction, or is it a refinement to the sinister system that is sending us down the drain?
Assuming the American political project lasts 30 more years, when you're voting for the candidate who argues for 5 genocides instead of 10, it will hopefully start to become very clear the leftist position that liberals will always eventually fall in line with fascism.
"Anyone to the left of my enlightened lib stance is either a bot, right wing agent, or communist Chinese agent."
So you're saying people labor in order to entertain, love, create, do art, and do philosophy?
Sounds very human to me.
Never did i claim that people "work for the sake of work". My argument is that humans can be characterized as working creatures who use labor to change their environment - be it geographically, politically, socially, etc...