AlexanderESmith

In fairness, a lot of the more exceptional engineers I've worked with couldn't write their way out of a wet paper bag.

On top of that, even great technical writers are often bad at picking - or sticking with - an appropriate target audience.

you got some criticism and now you’re saying everyone else is a bot or has an agenda

Please look up ad hominem, and stop doing it. Yes, their responses are a distraction from the topic at hand, but so were the random posts calling OP paranoid. I'd have been on the defensive too.

[Our company] publish[s] open source work ... anyone is free to use it for any purpose, AI training included

Great, I hope this makes the models better. But you made that decision. OP clearly didn't. In fact, they attempted to use several methods to explicitly block it, and the model trainers did it anyway.

I think that the anti-AI hysteria is stupid virtue signaling for luddites

Many loudly outspoken figures against the use of stolen data for the training of generative models work in the tech industry, myself included (I've been in the industry for over two decades). We're far from Luddites.

LLMs are here

I've heard this used as a justification for using them, and reasonable people can discuss the merits of the technology in various contexts. However, this is not a justification for defending the blatant theft of content to train the models.

whether or not they train on your random project isn’t going to affect them in any meaningful way

And yet, they did it while ignoring explicit instructions to the contrary.

there are more than enough fully open source works to train on

I agree, and model trainers should use that content, instead of whatever they happen to grab off every site they happen to scrape.

Better to have your work included so that the LLM can recommend it to people or answer questions about it

I agree if you give permission for model trainers to do so. That's not what happened here.

"The world seeing [their] work" is not equal to "Some random company selling access to their regurgitated content, used without permission after explicitly attempting to block it".

LLMs and image generators - that weren't trained on content that is wholly owned by the group creating the model - is theft.

Not saying LLMs and image generators are innately thievery. It's like the whole "illegal mp3" argument. mp3s are just files with compressed audio. If they contain copyrighted work, and obtained illegitimately, THEN their thievery. Same with content generators.

Eh. This is not a new argument, and not the first evidence of it. I don't think you're gonna be high on their list of retaliation targets, if you register at all (to say nothing of the low-to-middling reach of the fediverse in general).

Hell, just look at photographers/painters v. image generators, or the novel/article/technical authors v. ... practically all LLMs really, or any other of a dozen major stories about "AI" absorbing content and spitting out huge chunks of essentially unmodified code/writing/images.

I agree that their replies are a little... over the top. That's all kind of a distraction from the main topic though, isn't it? Do we really need to be rendering armchair diagnoses about someone we know very little about?

I mean, if I posted a legitimate concern - with evidence - and I was dog-piled with a bunch of responses that I was a nutter, I'd probably go on the defensive too. Some people don't know how to handle criticism or stressful interactions, it doesn't mean we should necessarily write them (or their verified concerns) off.

I'm not quite sure who's argument you're making here. It reads like you agree with OP and I (e.g. "LLMs shouldn't be using other people's content without permission", et al).

But you called OP paranoid... I assumed because you thought OP thought their content was being used without their permission. And it's extremely clear that this is what is happening...

What am I missing?

It's not paranoia if you have proof that they're stealing your content without permission or compensation.

You come off as an AI bro apologist. What they're doing isn't okay.

I was hired at a small company a number of years ago. Contract-to-hire. One of those "we want to see you prove yourself before we actually hire you" deals. My role was to take over all of technical operations (cloud architecture, sysadmin, desktop support, the whole deal), so that the CTO didn't have to do it all himself.

One time - about a week in - I spent the entire day playing with kinetic sand in the main lobby (which was in full view of every developer and the CTO). Mostly, I was building little bricks (something like 0.5x1x2cm), and stacking them in a 2 sided 90 degree wall.

When asked what I was doing by several people throughout the day, I said "I'm rebuilding your network". I'm certain I looked like a crazy person. Honestly, it's not a totally invalid assessment in general, even now.

What I was actually doing was planning out the subnets, ACLs, and general routing for a series of servers (web front-ends, api servers, DB servers, etc), and weighing the pros and cons of AWS LBs vs HAProxy for various applications.

Over the next few days, I built out the new network and started migrating legacy servers into it. I demo'd the process and accompanied documentation (which I mostly kept in case I had to build another network, or rebuild this one after some catastrophic total loss), and they seemed impressed.

My 3 month contract was converted to direct-hire within 3 weeks, after a number of other enhancements (like centralized ssh auth via OpenLDAP - rather than everyone sharing the same default user RSA key - and total systems monitoring via Nagios). Each one came with about a day's worth of playing with some fidget or fixing some non-technical thing (like hanging a bunch of framed items in the lobby, which they'd been meaning to do, but wasn't a high priority, especially for the technical staff).

They'd have had all the reason in the world to assume the new guy was full of shit and was about to wash out, but after that they assumed that when I looked like I was majorly slacking off (usually well away from my desk, tinkering with something mindless) that I was about to build some new thing into the network, or up-end a process, or some other crazy (but ultimately useful) thing.

They definitely didn't mind when I would pace and talk to myself like a nut-bar (which I did/do frequently).

My wife and I went to see the eclipse (it as our honey moon, literally) a few months ago and I had an identical experience xD

"Holy shit, are these laser-beams of sun cutting across the back of my eyeballs all the time?"

Mind you, it's anything shiny, not just chrome, but why add to the problem?

I give it a few days. It might have already happened, I haven't been checking the news today.

Never mind the hazards of producing it; It's fucking annoying to look at while the sun it out.

I live in Arizona, so double fuck me.

I was wondering what that ominous music was when I woke up this morning