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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I read the article, but missed the secret. What's the secret?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah, clickbaity title I know. But if you're not being sarcastic:

  • Decades of government policy that has favoured property as an investment vehicle
  • Little effort to change it as too many voters have financially benefited from it
  • Any change that would fix the problem in any significant way would likely result in an economic downturn

I guess it's a "secret" in the sense that government doesn't talk about it so plainly, but not really a secret to anyone else.

Kohler's Quarterly essay should expand on the article significantly, but it's paywalled and quite expensive (and not released yet).

I would have linked the Australian politics podcast episode which goes into more detail too, particularly in terms of the historical causes, but I'm not sure of the policy on linking podcasts here.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Yeah it pretty much just lists known facts, then ends with 'someone outta do something!!' Waste of pixels.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I didn't read the article yet and this is basically what I expected. Hardly a secret, and a fairly good summary. The economy is going to downturn anyway because people just can't afford the new housing. For a two bedroom anywhere with people, it's 650,000 and up. At that point you have to be married to someone who also works full time to have any reasonable chance of being able to afford the mortgage. At the average interest rate of 6% you're paying $4,100 per month, which is about the average pre-tax income (~$54,000 per year, so ~$1038 per week). Of course, that leaves very little wiggle room to save, and if either of you were to lose your jobs or the interest rate goes up, you'd probably default.

EDIT: I forgot to add the point. It's this. A whole bunch of people are going to default. People take bad mortgages because they have to, it's not like its an option to be homeless and sharing a house with strangers can really, really suck. But those people are going to be defaulting, or moving overseas, or just staying at home with their parents. The market will correct itself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

People say the market corrects itself all the time and I don't know what to make of it. I too was born of the lie of meritocracy and wild NeoLiberal economic claims and yet all I've ever seen, save for 2 moments in my life, is the market consolidating wealth to the top.

That definition of market correction insinuates the market only works for the rich, so, I mean, if you aren't rich maybe reconsider spreading their propaganda for free. Get paid for your services at the least, they can afford it.

Or, like the article describes, maybe youre one of the chosen ones to own a home, and your "retirement" or future financial security is tied to it, so you've become strong armed, blackmailed, into reinforcing this fucked up status quo.

Regardless, to fix the housing crisis everybody has got to accept that their homes are overinflated in value and need to come back to reality. Everybody has to give something, there is no social change thats not going to require change from everyone. Like...the dialectics make that clear in their own. Government might have to mandate banks renegotiating terms for some housing loans, but so what. Banks are part of the society too, they should also expect to change as well.

The alternative means you choose a heartless meatgrinder of a society. And really, with global inflation, China potentially crashing, the USA potentially crashing, the UK potentially crashing, and BRICS potentially undermining/destroying the value of the dollar well, news flash, no ones retiring.

I don't know how anyone could have that kind of faith in capitalism. A once in a lifetime financial event almost every 5 years now.

Think of how many years it'd take to salary out to 650k, vs finding free shit online and literally sourcing and making every component, from scratch.

I can source together the materials and build a house faster than I could pay for one already built, in this market. Decades sooner.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

The secret is there are too many beneficiaries to expensive houses to really move governments into fixing the problem properly. There are a Million Millionaires thanks to housing prices and they'll be really cross if you go and make them as poor as the others.

It's not really a secret, though. It just isn't something spoken about in Parliament because it's a huge hit button issue.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Wow what a secret. Rich people own the most homes, those rich people decide which other rich people get into government, and those rich people in government set policy. I wonder who the fuck that policy is going to benefit?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

1.2 million houses over 5 years while planning to grant 1 million permanent visas in that same time period? While also making it easier to get work visas and massively extending the length of post-study 'reward' visas?

The unrealistic 'aspirational' goal isn't even enough to cover the damage they're causing with their irresponsible migration policies.

Edit: Added for context for those unfamiliar. People who study in Australia are 'rewarded' by being able to apply for 'temporary graduate visas'. These visas are being extended more and more over the past few years, with people able to remain up to an additional 6 years after they finish their study with no work limitations.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

No secret at all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I haven't read the article and I'm not Australian but throwing a random guess out: isn't there a political issue about the conservative liberals stopping the labor party from rolling out a low income housing program that has historically paid for itself before?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, the Labour party is not truly interested in doing this. In USA politics (assuming you're familiar with it) the left and right are further apart than in Australian politics.

We have the Greens party which is the left leaning party and the Nationals which are the right. Labour and Liberal are on opposite sides of the middle and they team up with the Greens and the Nationals (respectively) to make up the numbers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Labor* party.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

It's more talking about regular private housing than public or social housing. Social housing itself is more of a semi-private thing too, and is more of a band-aid than a real fix.

Massive investment in proper government funded public housing would be one solution, along with a substantial improvement in renters rights. And the article is suggesting removing some concessions that encourage housing as investment, which would help and the public might accept (but previous elections have suggested otherwise).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Oh no, I happen to be old enough to have bought a house before the crazy got super crazy, is that the secret, time?