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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I accidentally left a CD with a bunch of photos on it from 2005 in a shed outside until 2022 and when I mounted it, it ran great. I got back a bunch of photos from 2005 that I thought were lost. That shed gets hot as fuck during summer and then our Maine winters as famously harsh.

I was surprised the weather didn't kill the CD so as an experiment I burned a bunch of memes onto a CD and buried it in a plastic food container. I let it stay there a year and allowed the deep frost of winter to get to it. I dug it up a year later and it was fine.

So this is just a sample size of 2 but to me it seems normal everyday CDs are actually pretty tough and stable, even through brutal temperature changes and wet or frozen weather.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

You technically don't own games. You own a license to play them. This has always been the case going back at least to the 80s if not before (first time I noticed this was Dr. Mario on the NES when reading the manual as I'd just learned how to read). If your disc is ruined you can contact them for a replacement disc since your license was not destroyed or forfeited. This is also why you are legally permitted to make one backup copy. Saves them from having to do the replacement themselves.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I have 35 year old cd's that still work fine that sat in a unclime controlled 4 season garage

both burnt and retail

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

When your frigging C64 5 1/4" disks keep their data for longer than relative modern DVDs...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Just wait until we can access our DNA

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

we kinda can, but the throughput is awful

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

There's only one legal gene therapy here, I reckon it'll be some years before we're allowed more

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I can access it just fine. I just can't read it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I'm at a loss, I have tons of old CDs, none have "rotted" and I definitely didn't do anything in terms of preservation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Disc rot is so overblown I'm genuinely convinced companies are influencing discussion around it to scare people away from optical media.

In the, probably near 1000, discs I own

I have one with rot, and that's a CD manufactured in a specific plant, within a specific timeframe known (for decades now) to have had issues.

So it's not as if it's a random occurrence which has caused that disc to fail, but posts like this always seem to push the idea that "your disc could just die at any time bro" and it's simply not true.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This pops into my head everytime Mutahar goes on one of his “preservation rants.” My guy I do not care if the game gets deleted, it will be backed up digitally if it’s worth backing up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When you pirate an entire console's library at once but then are like "Oh no it's okay if I say it's preservation first"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Me when I acquire an entire romset for the Turbografix-16

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Back in the day Blizzard replaced my Warcraft II disc. Too bad they're shit now.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For those with large collections of optical media, the Council on Library and Information Resources published a guide titled Care and Handling of CDs and DVDs: A Guide for Librarians and Archivists, which provides some good info on safeguarding said collections.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

The one intelligent response in the whole thread.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

For the last 5-8 years I only use game disks to make images out of them.

That said I have games that are 20 years old and I just keep them in normal boxes as well as jewel cases / paper sleeves and I never had a problem with a single disk going bad in any way.

I do plan to purchase a couple anti moisture gel packets and throw them into my wardrobe and boxes where I store stuff for the ease of mind :p

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Codex are doing the real game preservation nowadays

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

That looks like mold 😮reminds me og back in the days when a friend lent a cd to another friend. When he got it back it looked like it was used to eat dinner on.

Cant remember of the cd still worked.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I stored a cd R in a closet since 2004. It was sandwiched in a book for 2 years. I got curious and read it. All the files were there perfect. I copied the information and burned it to a Mdisc blue ray. In the mean time, I lost several gigs over the years from hard drive failures. One was internal of a laptop. Very unexpected. Another was an external harddrive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

That's what happens when you don't have parity and backups. It'll happen to your optical media too, just give it a few years

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What's the consensus as far as BD-R discs go? Does the coating help them last longer?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Also good luck when you loose the key

[–] mindbleach 1 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Fun fact about cd, over half of the data present on a common cd is used for error correction and because of that it's still readable normally even in case of it having several sections significantly damaged.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

wii u disc moment

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Where the hell was this disk kept? Last time I saw one like this it was an AOL Starter Disc I found during spring cleanup a couple years ago. God knows how many freeze and thaw cycles that thing had gone through but it was version 5.0 so we're talking at least 20 years outside.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

That thing was used as a drink coaster

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

out of the literal hundreds of discs i've seen from my own home(s), friends, family, and thrift stores, i have not oncw, not ever seen real disc rot with my own eyes. i wouldn't know about it if the internet wasn't a thing. it's so weird to use disc rot as a argument against optical. might as well use getting struck by lightning as a excuse to never go outside. what conditions need to be met for this kind of rot to occur?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

True back up is with LTO.

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