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Immigrants to Canada are increasingly leaving this country for opportunities elsewhere, according to a study(opens in a new tab) conducted by the Institute for Canadian Citizenship and the Conference Board of Canada.

In fact, the number of immigrants who left Canada rose by 31 per cent above the national average(opens in a new tab) in 2017 and 2019.

According to the study, factors that influence onward migration include economic integration, a sense of belonging, racism, homeownership, or a lack thereof, and economic opportunities in other countries, the report revealed.

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[–] xmunk 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Canada has become a car culture nation, I'm living abroad right now so that I can be a pedestrian without fearing for my life.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The state of public transport in Montreal makes me so angry. This city used to be an examplar of public transit.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And I'm over here in Ottawa looking at you guys as the gold standard.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same here. Everytime I go to MontrΓ©al, I'm amazed by their transit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Lived in Montreal for 9 years and now live in Calgary. I weep when I think of Montreal's transit vs. Calgary's transit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I haven't tried enough of the transit outside of Metro Van

How would Montreal compare to transit here (for those that tried both)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh good, maybe this will help with the housing crisis. Lol

But in seriousness, I know a few people who've moved to the US for better pay. Not worth it for me but I can see why people move.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm planning to move. I was born in Canada. I worked overseas for several years. I came back to Canada and I'm leaving again. Hopefully permanently. Better pay is definitely one aspect (although it'd take 10x increase to get me to move to the USA), but it's not the only one. Quality of life is another MAJOR point that Canadians miss out on in a big way. Yeah you get a bigger home... and a fancy big truck... but to get that, you work yourself to death, you pay insane prices for things, and you have to live with stroads...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah tell all of us so we can go too 🀣🀣

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

"We are thus compelled to return to a society where taxes lead to tangible public services, healthcare is a given right, not a privilege and where schools are havens of learning, unmarred by the pervasive reach of politics."

Canada's gleaming palace of prosperity is actually a slum run by greedy politicians and hedge funds who just want to steal everyone's money for themselves.

Born and bred in Canada, but if I could afford it I'd head to Europe as well.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Canada got its key industries stripped away by the US (Boeing to Bombardier) and China (Huawei to Nortel). Now? All the jobs are fleeing South of the border and people are fleeing with it.

At least Huawei still employs a fuck ton of Canadian tech workers and is rapidly expanding. Huawei is footing the bill for a ton of big tech conferences in Canada. They're sponsoring a bunch of projects for Canadian undergraduate engineering students. They're hiring a sizable chunk of the graduates from Canadian universities in their focus areas and are happy to foot the bill for technical training. Frankly, Huawei is doing a better job of creating and keeping Canadian talent within Canada than most Canadian companies. They relinquished any IP control over research done in conjunction with Canadian universities.

Meanwhile, Microsoft uses it's Canadian offices as visa waiting rooms before shipping them off to the US.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, Microsoft uses it’s Canadian offices as visa waiting rooms before shipping them off to the US.

Microsoft's game division includes Canadian studios like The Coalition and Compulsion Games. The latter literally relied on being acquired by Xbox in order to publish their 2nd (and 1st major) game, now they have grown from 40 to 80 since the game was published. Those studios are still located in where they were founded even after acquisition. In general, Microsoft has a hands-off approach with the studios, allowing them more freedom to develop games.

Sure, the game industry has its own problems and salary issues, which is something people in the industry are trying to improve, but at least the creative & technical talent stays here in Canada rather than being relocated, and many people can work in game studios for a few years before easily moving into other areas of software development.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, you're right about that, my bad.

I was thinking more in terms of the core tech teams - there's a decent EA presence here as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah it's unfortunate they don't have more core development in Vancouver. For instance, a major part of the Chrome team (and previously Stadia) was in Montreal. Microsoft should have been doing something similar in Vancouver (esp. considering the time zone too).

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"What we found is a withering, uncertain and anti-working class government, happy to sell promises it never intended on keeping"

I think this and the "hard work does not correlate with rewards" seem to be apt.

Many are brought over with flowery words hiding the fact that they will be competing with an already struggling working class.

Everybody I know thinks trying to raise a kid right now is not only unfeasable, but unethical. The couple working class people I know who had kids regardless are in debt and struggling despite working as much as they can.

Then the newspapers post articles like "why are selfish lazy millennials choosing not to obtain things like homes and cars, or attempting to have children."

It's frustrating and disgusting. Especially when you see things like the complete failure of antitrust. Big surprise that Rogers just locked out hundreds of old Shaw union workers.

There's something terribly wrong with the power imbalance, and this is more evidence to throw on the depressingly obvious pile.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's especially bad when those same newspapers also write articles about how most millennials are living paycheck to paycheck, and a single unexpected $1000 expense is enough to bankrupt them.

I can't count on how many people I've seen who's become borderline alcoholics as they can't handle life between work and bills without a steady supply. I live and work in relatively better off parts of Toronto, yet I see dozens of people who are homeless or dealing with serious psychiatrics problems. Seeing someone begging on the streets or trains has become almost a daily occurrence despite it having been quite rare a decade ago. Not to mention all those who sleep on the trains and buses rather than trying to get anywhere.

We as a country have been steered the wrong way for a good decade now, and every measurement I've seen regarding the human life index, happiness, international reputation, etc, have all pointed that out. Canada isn't the bastion of freedom and equality that it used to be. Virtually all our leaders on every level have failed the population, including the opposition.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We as a country have been steered the wrong way for a good decade now,

It's been in motion for a lot longer than that.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Glad you clarified. That should make things easier to fix now.