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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm up in northern Ontario near Sudbury and from what I can see in the forest .... as long as it stays cool and rains a bit more, we'll be ok ... otherwise, if there is even going to be a bit more heat, fires are going to erupt all over northern Ontario as badly as northern Quebec.

One thing I've noticed this year is how less green the forest is ... usually by mid to late June, the forest every where would be an emerald green ... this year it didn't happen and it still hasn't happened, its like a dull green and many of the trees look like they are stuck half blooming as if it were still late spring and early summer. It really, really looks dry out there and I'm worried that the fires are only going to start in this part of the country in a big way. People are also saying that there is infestation of worms in many forests and I can see large patches of the woods either not blooming, near blooming or half blooming. It looks terrible out there.

Northern Quebec looked really bad for the past two weeks .... I hate to say it or even think it but I think we in northern Ontario will be next.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Well said, great comment. Thanks for your perspective, I wasn’t aware of that. Down near Ottawa we’ve gotten a lot of rain since that dry spell back in the spring, we’re definitely hitting that emerald green shade you speak of but largely seem to be in the same situation. As long as we don’t get too much heat and keep on getting rain, we’ll be ok.

From what I can see in the forest down here, it’s only a matter of time. The logging industry’s reforestation techniques take fifty years or more to demonstrate whether they lower or raise the risk potential; a lot of the areas in the Ottawa Valley were heavily logged, often repeatedly, and the reforestation strategies have changed drastically over our history. We’ve now got a mix of forest that was logged and clearcut at various times and with different techniques; patches that range from freshly logged to more than a century since they were destroyed.

It’s difficult to find trees more than 150 years old around here, you have to hunt for them down in the nooks & crannies of the geography. To find them consistently you almost have to shift your mindset to a different time, squint your eyes a bit to see the spots where it was too difficult to hook chains to draft horses & haul the logs out to the river during the winter months.

The emerald ash borer has destroyed the ash trees, in some areas up to 10% of the forest is dry, standing deadwood. The Downy, Hairy, & Pileated Woodpecker populations are way up, Northern Flickers too, but it’s a serious liability unless we manage to avoid drought conditions for the next ten years or so while the ash tree corpses fall & decompose.

Up past Arnprior the forest has a short memory. There’s some stone fences here & there where the forest has reconquered territory, old plots of land that were abandoned long ago.

What stands out to me is the Boy Scout forests, though; have you ever seen those? Stands of red pine arranged in a perfect grid pattern, completely unnatural looking and far too close together for sunlight to hit the ground below. Odd dead zones where almost nothing grows on ground level, and the immediate layer of branches overhead create a spindly web of dry tinder between the trees.

Any one of these types of areas could hit a tipping point if we get consistent drought conditions. After that, the whole forest goes up in flames. It’s a tragedy in the making, Centennial Lake was just the beginning. Our forest management techniques basically need the slate to be wiped clean at this point in order to manage the problem effectively moving forward.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

they are probably lacking the sun for one

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe ... but we've had heavily rained and clouded over seasons in the past and it didn't cause this. It's a weird summer and if you saw the forest across hundreds of miles of highway look the way it is now and compared it to previous years ... it doesn't take a forester to know that something is wrong.

My opinion is that it is a combination of a warm winter, little snow, early spring, warmer weather. Plus some strange insect or worm infestation is killing thousands of trees everywhere (and scientists do note that warmer weather that lasts longer and starts earlier are good for infestations). Give those conditions just a bit of moderate summer heat and it dries out the forest fast. Which is why I worry, July and August are still liable to give us a few heat waves. The combination of the forest being on the edge of being too dry and the prospect of more hot weather coming is not looking good.

I hope I'm wrong .... but it doesn't look good.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Today in Montreal it was beautiful and blue and fresh. I hope it stays that way. I want to keep my lungs and our forests.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Nope. As long as it continues to be dry, we'll continue to forest fires. We just want for the Wind not to blow the smoke to us.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I just can't get over how big some of those fires are. I had assumed with all those lakes that natural barriers would prevent that sort of thing. How naive I was...

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