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The height of El Clásico, Ronaldo v Messi and arguably the two most dominant teams of the last decade or so. However which team was more successful during this time period.

I think I lean towards Madrid barely

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Barcelona. 2009 Barcelona is possible the best team ever. Can’t say the same for the 3peat Madrid team.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Barca needs the referees even though they had “the best team ever”. So…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Barcelona. Sure, they have one less UCL than Real Madrid in that period. But they dominated their domestic league much more that Real Madrid did in those 10 years. 7 La Liga titles, 6 Copa del Rey and 6 Supercopas compared to Real Madrid’s 2 La Ligas, 2 Copa del Rey and 2 Supercopas. Because of this domestic dominance the title count is 31 for Barcelona and 17 for Real Madrid in that period.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Barcelona definitely

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Talking about Europe specifically, it's been Real Madrid. They've been much more dominant than Barça. But if we're talking about overall display, it's Barça. They outplayed Real Madrid in Laliga plus domestic competitions. They've been the better magnet to attract great players. Most of the footballing world agrees that Barça 2011 is the greatest team of all time. They've won the most individual awards. Barça's La Masia has proven itself to be a lot better than La Fabrica.

Real Madrid will always be better as an overall team historically. But 2009-19 was Barça's decade.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

They've been the better magnet to attract great players.

Is that why they are now broke? Or was it because they bought the refa

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Barcelona
Champions League: 08-09, 10-11, 14-15 (3x)
La Liga: 08-09, 09-10, 10-11, 12-13, 14-15, 15-16, 17-18, 18-19 (8x)
Real Madrid
Champions League: 13-14, 15-16, 16-17, 17-18 (4x)
La Liga: 11-12, 16-17 (2x)

Barcelona had national dominance during this period, while Real Madrid won one more CL. I would say it was Barcelona because they had a more entertaining and stable playstyle. In many cases, Real Madrid were well below Barcelona in some seasons, but they masked this instability with a CL title during their second part of the season. Don't get me wrong, but I wouldn't trade 6 national titles for one single more CL

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Barca was definitely not entertaining football

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Thanks for this. Really helps to see a breakdown of titles during the period in question!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I found Real Madrid more entertaining with a fast football.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough. Would you say the same when talking about MSN? They somehow abolished some of their principles, going towards a more direct playstyle in MSN period, during 14-17.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah they were much more direct and fun to watch in that period. That super team of Guardiola was boring to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That seems like an oversimplification though.

It’s not just that they won 1 more UCL, they won it 3 times in a row. That’s absolutely a far more impressive feat than winning the series a few extra times.

The mental fortitude required to win it the 3rd time alone is astonishing. UCL is the WC of club football. Imagine how easy it would be to choke that last final. Christ, I’m getting nervous just thinking about taking to the pitch under those conditions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A FEW extra times? We are talking about EIGHT against two national titles during really tough matchups that were waaay beyond football by itself. And I am not even going to include Copa del Rey here.

Don't get me wrong, but Real Madrid was not as consistent as Barcelona in this period. Real is the biggest club in football history and this is enough for them to be considered favorites in the Champions League, but if you look at their performances and the best teams in those times, they were not supposed to be the ones with most odds to win it because they lacked top tier consistency during the year.

Number of times in which they've won both La Liga and Champions League in the same season:

Barcelona: 3 out of 3 (08-09, 10-11, 14-15)

Real Madrid: 1 out of 4 (16-17)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Barca undoubtedly played some amazing football. However, claiming that winning La Liga is the same as winning UCL just doesn’t sit right with me. It can’t even be compared.

AM, RM and Barca were the only contenders at that point. RM rested their players, especially with injuries in mind, during LL matches, and focused on UCL.

I’m torn between who was the best during this period, and personally, the result of the Negreira case, will be the deciding factor for me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

yeah RM rested players and barca didn’t, which is a contributing factor to barca not performing as well in the CL. its why madrid has 0 trebles

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (5 children)

3x UCL you just have to worry about not losing the yearly tournament. it’s not that hard on a player whatsoever

winning trebles and sextuples in a single season is incredibly hard. You have to perform in every competition you see in There’s a reason only pep guardiola has won multiple in his career.

and Madrid a supposed “powerhouse” has never registered a single sextuple or treble win in 125 years of existence.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Madrid by far

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Barca. It’s not even a contest.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Barca, how is this even a question?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Considering the help of the referees? The answer is crystal clear...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Its close but its Real Madrid. Winning CL even a single time is a dream from many players and clubs. Winning it 3 times in a row and 4 times in 5 years is humongous. Imagine the mental fortitude and consistency at the highest level required to accomplish this feat. This has to be the biggest sporting achievement ever by any club/group of players (although ofc RM itself also won it 5 times in a row during the 50s).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Good point . But don't forget that barca won the treble twice in the period OP mentioned which is a dream for madridistas

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

While the three-peat is one of the greatest achievements in football history, I’ll have to remind you that Real only could do it because we had already lost the league in ‘16 and ‘18.

Our squad (I am a Real fan) was filled with big game players, but over the course of a season, we couldn’t hold up against Barca. We never managed a treble win, which Barca did twice.

Still, winning 3 UCLs in a row is insane. Many clubs go all in on the UCL instead of the league every year, and still don’t win. We did that 2 years in 3, and dominated in 2017. However, we wouldn’t have done it had Barca not been the overall better team during our three-peat stint, ironically.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Madrid and it's not close.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've always said that a domestic league title will always be worth more than the Champions League

Playing 35 plus games against everyone home and away will always be a bigger achievement than 13 games with luck of the draw

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Tbh if your Barcelona or Madrid then the majority of the games you play in the league are vs far inferior opposition. While there is a luck of the draw in the UCL there is also far better opposition.

Moreover in the league you can lose a few games or draw a few games and still end up winning the league whereas in the UCL if your team has one bad game you can potentially be out. I think both league and UCL have their difficulties

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Barca slightly edged them out for that period, but Madrid are still the biggest and most successful club in the history of football.

I say slightly because in the grand view of things domestic titles are just not as important as UCL wins. Think about AC Milan and Juventus. Globally, Milan are way more famous because they did well in Europe even though Juve are way ahead of them domestically.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Let me put it this way. Barcelona biggest decade in terms of titles,Real still managed to win more CL. CL is what matters the most

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I think Barça and by quite far. Not only by the amount of titles (Madrid bet everything to the CL at the beginning of the season). But let’s not forget how Spain dominated being basically a Barça B with a couple different players.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Barcelona had a higher peak but Real Madrid were more consistent

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Lol people say Barca but Madrid won almost as many UCLs as their entire club and did something that’s never been done and maybe never done again (UCL 3peat)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The debate might be over in a few months if/ when Barca is stripped off of all their La Liga titles with the referee bribery scandal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Well RMA won champions leagues in row several times, but Barca era was the most delightfull football in football history for any viewer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Barca was better at playing football, Real was better at winning trophies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I'd say Real Madrid. 4 Champions League, 3 of which were consecutive is an absolutely insane achievement. How do you win 4 in 5 years

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I’m a Real Madrid fan and even I can see that Barca is clearly better. Only years we were truly better than them is 2012, probably 2014, maybe 2016 and 2017.

We had so many performances against them where we were dominated. The 5-0. The UCL Semis in 2011. And many more. When we won we usually only won by 1 and very rarely 2.

I don’t want to downplay Real, I think our team in the 2010s is the second best club side ever. Sadly, the only one in history that’s better is Barca during the same time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

3x back to back champions leagues is more difficult than anything Barca did in the same product period.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Barca got the trebles and Madrid got the 3 peat, that pretty much sums up the decade

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Pep Barca was peak football, nothing will come close

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Barcelona started strong and Madrid ended strong

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Draw. This coming from a Barca fan. First half of the decade belonged to Barca. We dominated Spanish and international football.

Second half, RM. I mean, winning the CL so many times is nothing but impressive, and should be celebrated.

With that said, forza Barca. 😁

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Great question this. I think it’s open to different interpretations. Both raised the standard of modern football it’s insane how good they were.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Barca's decade was 06-16

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Ha, that’s a difficult one to be honest. Because while Barcelona was obviously enjoying win after win of La Liga title over Real Madrid, Real was setting Champions League record. I’d say it’s a tight one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Got to be Barca.

Madrid went all in on European level competition, and yeah they've got one more European Cup in that time, but Barca have a good amount of European success and have basically dominated La Liga for 20 years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Your title and body state two different things: 'better' and 'more successful'. It's hard to argue with Real's CL wins in terms of most successful. but the least random variance influenced data points of which team was better than the other are the yearly La Liga standings. And in that, Barcelona dominated Real.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Madrid doesn’t have much other than UCLs if they won 1/2 more leagues they would have won easily imo

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