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Look at here and the people who complain about it being too hard to figure out are the ones complaining about "I can't use muh slurs, this is awful."

"The left of today is very much in favour of censorship to avoid “harm.” This makes those of us in the middle very wary of signing up to any partisan media." /u/decidedlysticky23

/u/misshapensteed claims he isn't far right, but explictly only posts on PoliticalCompassMemes and TheLeftCantMeme and KotakuInAction.

If they are too stupid to figure out we know they're lying, they're too stupid to figure out lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

they’re too stupid to figure out lemmy

Please let's not introduce elitism into Lemmy. I just got here and stumbled upon this post. The social network you use does not make you superior. As much as I agree with anti-racist censorship, there is no need to speak as if Lemmy users are superior beings. It was annoying when Redditors did it back in the day and it will continue to be now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Exactly this.

As an analogy, I personally think the Linux desktop is better than Windows but I don't think desktop Linux users are inherently better than Windows users.

Sure, desktop Linux users are probably more tech savvy on average but they are probably also more likely to be less socially capable imo. (like me)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"I use Arch by the way"

(I kid, I kid... I use garuda)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I do actually run arch btw :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Praise the Arch wiki though

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Oh for sure. And pacman / the AUR. It's the reason I stated with an arch-based os even though I got a little tired of managing all the minutiae myself (I did used to use arch)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Quite. Remember narwhaling bacon? Never again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I mean more as "if you can't look past skin tone and gender, you can't probably read a sign up sheet."

Racists are idiots. The ones who learned better aren't idiots because they applied new knowledge.

Racists just regurgitate what they were told since birth, without questioning anything and doubling down.

Is Lemmy better? Remains to be seen. But if they refuse to join because we won't tolerate slurs, that's a bonus.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

s/stupid/lazy

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I think Lemmy is too political, but still joined a long time ago. Things can improve with time. We're seeing this happen now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (36 children)

I'm glad that Beehaw doesn't do it, but the other instances shouldn't be federating the Tankies.

Authoritarian, genocide-denial, Stalin-praising politics have no place on the left.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Personally I'm not sure I consider tankies leftists. Although communism is a leftists ideal, it's based on the premise of people being equal and deserving of basic needs. Tankies often embrace misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, and authoritarianism and deny or even support injustices against other humans. Not very leftist of them imo

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's funny is there is nothing stopping them from making their own instance. I think the hesitation stems from them coming to grips with reality that few people really want to engage with their messaging when they step out of their bubble.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because they can't make people who don't agree with them miserable if they're all relegated to their own bubbles.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One of the funny events on Mastodon was that someone set up an instance that was far right and almost within a few hours, all the other instances had de-federated from it and blocked it

No-one was stopping them setting up their own instance but they all said "you don't play well with others so go play on your own!"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's how a healthy society should be. Bigotry is always a minority of society. The media has been inflating its perceived reality to attract more people away from criticizing the current economical system. Fashism 2.0.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

As Buenaventura Durruti said:

"No government fights fascism to destroy it. When the bourgeoisie sees that power is slipping out of its hands, it brings up fascism to hold onto their privileges."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I believe defederation is one of the best things about the Fediverse. People who say objectionable things have the right to free speech too (within reason), but I just don't want to see it or interact with them. Defederation enables peaceful coexistence in a way which could never work on a centralized social media platform.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I wish the fediverse is able to contain all the ideas, all the political positions and that disconnecting/blocking an instance is only used for behaviors like spamming. Not giving every political stance the opportunity to be a part of the same world fuels extremists.

Beehaw and other instances can kick all the users with far-right beliefs. That's fair. But Lemmy users shouldn't be blocked to listen to or even interact with them, in their own instances, if they wanted. Don't help creating political ghettos.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm a software engineer and even I find the UI of the apps confusing and mediocre at best, actively terrible at worst. Once you figure out the quirks it's relatively straightforward, but it's honestly just a bad user experience.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Yes. This is a different platform, I'd rather we don't just transplant all the reddit problems here.

Lemmy is inherently political. It was and is a revolt against reddit's staff, their business model and the influence of US politics, media and corporations on their platform due to their advertising model. This place wouldn't exist if there wasn't political differences.

We're not here to impress people who were banned for spreading Nazism. Go to all the reddit-clones that started in the early 2010s when reddit got called out for hosting toxic racist-or-fascist hate communities and communities sexualizing minors (e.g. /r/jailbait).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Everything is inherently political. If anyone thinks it isn't, it's just because the politics favour them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Very true. A good phrase is "the personal is political". Politics refers to organization, power, and decision-making, and so much of our lives is determined by decisions outside our control.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is true, politics is not something distinct which can be considered separate from or optionally added to society, culture or economics, although Lemmy is also explicitly political. That might be more what I intended to say.

(The real kicker is realizing that abstaining is not politically neutral.)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I don't understand the reddit users who are claiming they don't want to join Lemmy over political reasons. They could create their own instance with whatever rules they want and push whatever political agenda they want. The fact that the platform is decentralized means everyone can get with they want.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My teenage son and I recently had a conversation about how the people complaining something is "too political" are the ones with a political agenda you have to watch out for. He pleasantly surprised me by being 2 steps ahead of me (he told me he liked the thing people were criticizing because of the political aspects).

Is there a Lemmy equivalent of r/SelfAwareWolves?

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