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[–] gravitas_deficiency 247 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

This isn’t Apple being nice.

This is Apple wanting to sell things in California, combined with Apple not wanting to manufacture two separate versions of their devices for the US market.

This is also why everyone gets USB-C iPhones now, instead of only the EU.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They supported this legislation before it was passed. Still not out of the goodness of their hearts, this version includes provisions that they had wanted previously.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (12 children)

They "supported" this legislation by implementing a system where parts still require users to call in to activate them, you are "strongly encouraged" to rent or buy specialized tools from apple, and the price of parts plus rental generally comes out as only slightly less than paying an apple store to do it for you.

It is malicious compliance that they get to use for a PR boost.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

IIRC: They battled this talking point/discussion and legislation for years. Up until a week before it was voted on and passed.

They are not your friend.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Maybe because EU passed this before California. Then it's easy to on board.

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thumbnail looks like a purple Dodge Challenger is about to drive through the window.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apple storefront: planned obsolescence

Dodge Challenger: CA's right to repair law

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

IMO Apple must have found a way to literally Dodge this Challenger if they're supporting it. Wonder what concoction their legal team has drafted up?...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Based on this, it looks like an attempt to negotiate with the consumers "directly" and make it look like they are being active.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm glad for the EU, California, and other places that are big enough to force this sort of stuff nationally or globally.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Every so often the phrase "where California goes the nation follows" comes true. I had a feeling about this one, but not so soon nor decisively.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am out of the loop on this one. I am probably wrong, but......Wasn't the bill nullified by the fact apple has the sole right to supply the replacement parts? Or does the bill work as intended where replacement parts can be sourced elsewhere as well as documentation being made available?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have no idea, but I'm grateful for a step in the right direction. It feels like there haven't been many of those in recent times.

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[–] Drbreen 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Apple saying they will honor like they're in control and have a choice.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

They had the choice of not doing business in California, which is what they had threatened to do with previous right-to-repair and other consumer protection laws. In this case, they found a way to make money off it if so they are supportive of this bill now since they have successfully delayed it long enough to have an advantage over their competitors.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Well, didn't they play a huge role in the genesis of this law? I think they have some way to continue ignoring costumers.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Not by choice

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Apple »claims« they will honor ‘right to repair’ – just like they claim their latest devices are ‘carbon neutral’

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

this is a ruleset though, and it's likely much cheaper for them to produce one SKU for the US rather than two, a california rule abiding one, and a rest of the country one.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Their carbon neutral claims are a stretch, but they did massively reduce their carbon footrprint in addition to using offsets. The majority of the reduction is from using green energy at their factories and no longer using air shipping.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't they influence the creation of this law? I'm still sceptical of its effectiveness.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, thats what Louis Rossman said. I get my news from Louis 🤣

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's what the smart ones do I hear

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is not wise to solely take news at face value. I always do a little digging into something whenever I hear any news on it myself.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd say that from what I've seen, Louis isn't interested in spreading disinformation.

But I would also still do a little digging; it's just a healthy way to process the content you consume. If you aren't willing to audit your opinion, then your opinion holds little water in an objective conversation.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's definitely not and I would agree with the sentiment that he is a reliable source of information, but remember that all people make mistakes sometimes. Treat the news as a notification, not a source of information.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What really makes him credible is he literally calls himself out in videos when information changes or he makes mistakes.

  • "When I said, xyz, don't listen to me. I was wrong/lied."
  • " [company name] changed their stance/policy and my previous statements are outdated."

He also tells viewers and readers all the time to come to their own conclusions and do their own research.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Too bad I still need a hammer and chisel to replace the keyboard on my MacBook and don't even get me started on removing the battery which I need to do first

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same thing happened with net neutrality, California put NN into law, and the rest of the country followed because it doesn't make sense to build a separate Internet for California.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I understand this as the California Effect and similarly the Brussels effect. While both do change company policies, I do understand that many companies are going to continues to try and avoid a regulatory ruling as there is so much status quo market loss on the line for them.

This article describes how they'll be trying to use MOUs with nongovernment bodies to mollify consumers and regulators.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They get to sell their parts without having to pay all of the repair people and probably getting out of a certain amount of warranty liability. Win-win-win for them.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And people repairing their own stuff is always a good idea. People learning how to maintain their electronics is never a bad thing! Everyone should pick up a soldering iron at some point. :)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While in complete agreement that it's good the option is there, have definitely interacted with plenty of end users who, for various reasons, really should never.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, some people learn from their mistakes. Hell, my first PC build (23 years ago…) was DOA because I had inadvertently bent a pin on the CPU, and it got smashed when I tightened down the cooler. That was an expensive mistake, but one I certainly learned from.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Not that I fully disagree, just that there's a reason they didn't do it before. Probably more profitable to not have repairable devices. Not that they won't try to make the best of the current situation, as you said.

Also, it would likely be more expensive to produce a line of repairable products just for one state and do different for the others, so this is the best way of spinning this.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (9 children)

That's great. I'm still gonna avoid everything Apple.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The iPod Touch 7 was great.. but then they decided it didn't actually deserve long term support even though it was the last version they'd be making. So go ahead and come out with an iPod Touch 8, Apple, but I won't be trusting enough to buy it after getting burnt.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Ehhh with eu sideloading, right to repair and generally a good phone it looks like a good deal but i also think full software liberty(you can replace the software on it) is a part of RTR and i dont know if thats ever gonna happen especially with even android phones getting more and more restricted.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

4 choices: don’t sell in CA, fight the law, make a separate phone to meet R2R laws that are likely going to become more prevalent, release a press report portraying magnanimity towards R2R and make the bare minimum effort to meet the law.

The last is the only real answer.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does this mean regarding their components pairing? Will they still force indepent repair shops to go through apple to validate a repair by requesting a new pairing for the replaced part? Will it be free? Will it depend on whether the part is a genuine apple part? A salvaged one? A third party part?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you now have the right to repair with only their parts, which is progress, albeit minimal and expensive

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like they have a choice. Even Apple can't manufacture separate devices for specifically for California.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

yeah. not because it's right, but because it's cheaper.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Damn this is huge.

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