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Meta ‘blacklisted’ developer after learning his VR fitness app will also launch on Vision Pro, lawsuit says (9to5mac.com)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago

They'll probably get more money from the lawsuit than they would have from app sales.

[+] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They're probably not scared of the Vision Pro, they're probably scared of whatever comes after. Apple has a history of being able to take established tech and make it so user-friendly (for the casual user, not the power users) that your grandmother could use it. I think that's what they're afraid of. I think they're scared that they're the BlackBerry and Apple's gearing up to launch the iPhone.

[+] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Meta is not in the hardware business, they're in the software and data transport business.

The hardware is just an intermediary step while they wait for someone else to take on that burden

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Facebook / Meta is one of the few data hoarding companies that doesn't have "full control" of how their products are consumed / used and how much data gets collected in which way. Apple has the Mac, TV, Watch, and iPhone platforms. Google has the Pixels, Android, and Nests, Amazon has Kindles, Fire, Alexa devices, and so on.

Facebook doesn't have any of these. The best they can do today is being a parasitic add-on to a platform they have no total control over like "the others" do.

Making their own hardware is a key element, not a burden. But they're still treating it like the latter. If the Metaverse would already have been the New Thing (tm), they'd have been the quasi-dominators of that territory because they're pioneering the hard- and software. But along came AI which doesn't need it's own hardware platform, and still nobody wants to live in the Metaverse.

[–] bzz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Meta absolutely wants to be in the hardware business. Right now they live at the whims of Google and Apples phone os decisions. Earlier they lost a ton of money due to the new iOS privacy stuff. They want to own vr/ar so they are in control of their own destiny.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I think Nintendo is a better company to create VR. NES, Gameboy, N64, Wii: all are genre defining devices that are easy to use.

VR is not great for anything but porn and games. Maybe movies.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

The more likely reason for blacklisting the developer is to cause a chilling effect on other developers. Apple has one of the best developer ecosystems and Meta is likely terrified of letting their developers anywhere near Apple. Having good apps is so important to a platform

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that's ok facebook, you're on many blacklists as well

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Lol blacklisted on my DNS.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As I understand it, there was a deal between Meta and Elijia to specifically promote the App at Meta Connect, Meta called it off after hearing they were in talks with Pico & Apple.

Sounds to me like this might be purely about the additional promotion (and apparently additional payments), not about banning the App in general. But that‘s somewhat unclear to me.

Meta canceled his AEI Fitness app days before its unveiling at Meta Connect, the world’s biggest VR conference, Elijah says. He says the conference would have propelled it to the top of the VR fitness app market, eventually reaping him tens of millions of dollars. […] But while preparing to be part of Chief Executive Officer Mark Zuckerberg’s keynote, he says, he was told, “‘No, the project’s killed, we’re not giving you your money.’”

There will definitely be games and apps available on both platforms, some have already been announced (Rec Room, Demeo).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Meta sucks ass, but it's so annoying when the media uses that fact to promote distorted stories just for them clicks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In this case it’s not clear to me what exactly is going on (after reading both this and the Bloomberg article), but misleading headlines and first reactions from people who haven’t read more than the headline is just the default behavior. I find that a bit sad on multiple levels.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

(...what's a vision pro?)

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Apple's VR headset coming out soon

[+] [email protected] -8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fitness

While lugging half a kg of plastic blindfold?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Blindfold? I've used an Oculus and an Index and finding your balance is very easy. I can't balance on one leg for more than a couple seconds with my eyes closed but have no problems when watching through the headset. I could see a yoga app being very useful if it allows you to observe the pose without needing to crane your neck.

[–] glimpseintotheshit 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

VR is great for basic cardio in my experience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

well I wouldn't say great because your mobility is still a bit limited with a headset and it gets hot really fast. But, it's a great way to gamify exercise and that works for many people

[–] glimpseintotheshit 1 points 1 year ago

True, I'm always absolutely drenched working out in VR, but I personally don't mind. If you really wanna get into it, there are also all kinds of fans and vents that are supposed to keep you cool(er).

Sure, having actual personal trainers and physically being in a gym without a headset strapped to your face would be preferable. But it's certainly a lot more engaging and fun than, for example, doing Apples Fitness+ stuff in front of a TV.