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submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I am not a legal experte, but in the EU you might be able to sue the now.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It’s pretty sad that only EU seems to care about the privacy of its citizens. Tbh this seems more like a right, it’s my account and i should be able to delete it whenever i want, not ‘request’ meta to delete it

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

None of this is an attack on you but the simple reality we live under. I don't like any of it but it is true.

Tbh this seems more like a right,

Sadly, the only rights anyone has are those they receive from the nation state/political entity they belong to.

it’s my account

While you created it, it is on their system and I guarantee their Terms and Conditions (which nobody ever reads) state they can do whatever they want when ever they want.

[+] [email protected] -13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

What else can the EU do? They can't force an American company to follow EU regulation outside of the EU.

Edit: oh damn I read your comment wrong. I read it as "It’s pretty sad that the EU seems to only care about the privacy of its own citizens." To that I'd say get your own regulation, but that's exactly what you called for. Nvm then.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In order to operate in the EU they must follow EU rules and part of that rule set is the GPDR which says an individual has the right to be forgotten.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ninja edit: Nevermind, I completely misunderstood the comment I responded to.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"An American company" means very little when they operate outside of America.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

"Im an american (company)!"

"so go back to America"

revokes domain access to country

Could be a person at an airport, a shipping container in a port, or an internet packet traveling down a series of intercontinental tubes to an isp. Result is still the same.

To do business in another country, you have to play by their rules. Literally nobody else on the planet gives a shit if it's "an American company". Hell, not even most AMERICANS give that much of a shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ninja edit: Nevermind, I completely misunderstood the comment I responded to.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The EU is doing all they can here. They require EU citizens need a way to have their data deleted, within 1 month or after a response with specific reasons within 3 months.

This ofc makes companies act like this for accounts located inside the EU. Then further, every EU citizen outside the EU has a right to this too, so if a company chooses to geolock the deletion feature, all those outside citizens act as a minefield and strain on the system until they stop geolocking the feature.

This then means everyone (EU citizens or not) can manually contact support, both straining their system and making them look into making this process as difficult as possible. This will inevitably lead to them blocking actual EU citizens outside the EU, who can then sue them until they stop locking the feature and make it available to everyone. The company can't just ask for some legal document proving citizenship either, since that itself would be a gdpr violation. So the end state has to be a system that everyone can use - EU citizen or not.

The EU can't demand anything about non-citizens, so as I see it this is the best they can do, by demanding certain rights only to their citizens. The downside is it may take years and a few court battles, but the final state should be the law applying for all users.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

EU citizens need a way to have their data deleted

FYI. its for anyone who is within the territory of the EU, not necessarily citizens. So if a EU citizen is outside the EU, these rights no longer apply (based solely on the location of the user. there are other factors which might give everyone the same rights no matter the location)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Does that mean I can go to Europe and be covered by GPDR?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Theoretically, yes. (Art.3.2: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-3-gdpr/)
And because many compaies usually only have the IP as location information, a VPN should do the trick in most cases too.
Of course good luck enforcing your rights when you dont actually live there and the company ignores you..

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

They can't send data from the EU to hoard in America in the first place and considering they have headquarters in Ireland and data centers all over the show it's not like the EU does not have plenty of recourse.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Yes, in the EU, they have to comply within a month. If they don't you'll take it to your countries data protection ombudsman.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

You can't sue, but you can and should report it and hopefully they will fine them.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

do a gdpr

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Meta responded to me that "out of security reasons" they can't remove my data when I referred to GDPR

[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Report that to your country's privacy watchdog. That is not the law. After comfirming your identity they should remove it ( at least for eu citizens? )

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

they can't do this

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

I requested deletion multiple times more than a year ago. Still get stupid spam from facebook.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

Change your name to something obviously fake. Years back I had my name as something that wasn't my actual name, they asked me for my ID to verify my identity. Well, I sent them some gross pictures I conjured up from the internet and uploaded those instead of my ID and it didn't take long for them to just completely deactivate it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Change your email to an aliased email address. (Proton mail for instance).

Confirm the changes with Facebook.

Change your password to a unique max length with alpha numeric and symbols enabled.

Confirm the changes with Facebook.

Follow Facebook's guide to deleting your account: Facebook: Delete your account
~~Delete your alias email.~~ optional
~~Forget the password.~~ optional

??? Never log into Facebook again.

Profit.

Edit: as others have suggested it is important to delete your Facebook account. I have edited the above to reflect the changes.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Aka how to ensure that all the data Facebook has on you never goes away. This is terrible advice.

If you're just trying to leave Facebook I recommend going the deletion route then filtering all emails from them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you have a recommended deletion route?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The only way it will work is requesting it from them.

When I requested deletion (in like 2017) it was pretty quick.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Not good enough, sadly

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

I went through an manually deleted all the content from mine years ago. Would be shocked if it wasn't mod-removed at this point for being both empty and unused

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Try and get a deletion on most fed servers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Worse than AOL in the day.

At least with them you could contact the bank and have them deny charges going forward, to stop the insanity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I don't know why I haven't already, but I think it's time I switch all of my GAFAM accounts to DDG addresses.