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[–] [email protected] 126 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's never been about the money.

The Republicans and their grifters want Putin to win. It's just that simple.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

And they want more tax cuts (until barely anything can be funded).

[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It looks to me like this war is pretty cheap on both American lives, and on the American taxpayers' pocketbook.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's almost like the real reason they are against aid for Ukraine is that they just parrot whatever their media outlets put out, and they put out being against aid for Ukraine because they want Russia to win and they want lower taxes and reduced regulation for themselves. It's almost like conservatives are really fucking gullible so long as you pretend you're on their side and point at somebody for them to blame.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The weirdest part to me is how “support the troops” is always a priority for most in the group opposing Ukrainian support. In fact, military support is usually so critical that they can set aside many of their primary targets of small government and fiscal responsibility.

I get that this isn’t the “our” troops they usually chant about, but it easily could be, especially if Russia continues its aggressive action. It doesn’t seem that it’s that hard to understand that if you’re willing to give the US military nearly a trillion dollars, it isn’t a bad idea to give support to a country actively fighting against this threat.

I guess it really does just come down to people convinced that Russia is somehow not a threat to the US, even though the leaders of “our troops” feel differently.

https://news.usni.org/2021/08/18/russia-is-top-military-threat-to-u-s-homeland-air-force-general-says

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I'm not particularly concerned about Russia militarily threatening the US, but a strong and emboldened Russia putting pressure on Europe is not favorable for us. Eastern Europe generally speaking has less money and power, and therefore with have trouble defending against Russia. As those nations fall, Russia gains land and resources, which makes them more of a threat to Western Europe. Even at a near stalemate in Ukraine, resources are flowing from us and our allies, bottlenecking supply chain, production, logistics, etc. This leads to challenges in receiving resources, and the price is higher if we can even get shit. If you stop thinking right there, I guess I can see how people might oppose aiding Ukraine. But people who think things through realize that Western Europe in direct conflict with a stronger Russia will only make those exact issues even worse. And decent people don't even need to realize and understand that because the moral implications of indifference to the massive amount of dead civilians is plenty of reason to be on board. But even a sociopath should be able to understand the concept of "a stitch in time saves nine."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

"Well clearly I can't be held responsible for my life's problems, it must be the fault of disenfranchised minorities."

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And pretty profitable for the military complex which finally is used for a good cause. Didn't these republicans receive their yearly lobby cheque?

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

"The war is cheap in terms of American lives" is a right wing, nationalist sentiment. "American" lives dont have any more value than any other lives.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but the American government's entire point is to collect American taxes and provide benefits for Americans. To minimize monetary cost and maximize benefit to American lives is exactly what it should be doing.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (10 children)

Wait, are you telling me that nations are oriented around nationalism?

This is why I'm for stateless global communism

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Your current crop of Republicans don't really care about the US or American values - they want to live in a Margret Attwood novel.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago

“It’s not rape if it’s for America”

[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Any Republican against giving aid to Ukraine is essentially a Russian asset.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

It's the same picture

[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The war is cheap in all terms (expect Ukrainian's). I believe most of the dollar numbers you see includes equipment value when they were going to be scrapped anyway. The accountants have to give it a fair dollar value, but in practical terms it's zero.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Crazy idea, how about we have a few years where we aren't involved in some war?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't it be nice if all these tyrants like Putin would just stay in their own homes...?

If only it were that simple to look the other way from your neighbor getting attacked and raped.

As if such persons ever stop after their first successful house...

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