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Now do one without immigration. Is there even an EU country that has bigger birth rates than it did in 1990?
Which is just another reason why the aversion to immigration on display by such large parts of EU society at the moment is just so freaking dumb and counterproductive.
I agree with you, but you can't just change the demographic makeup of any territory without some resistance from the native population. Push back is to be expected. You can tell Europeans "your people will go extinct without this", the rational response would be to accept it, but people aren't always rational.
Well, population decline doesn't automatically mean extinction. Eternal growth is not possible. The system should not rely on perpetual population growth.
Population decline due to low birth rates has never happened. Population declines have always been due to disease or war or something like that, taking the adults and leaving a young population behind. It's not about a system, an aging population with low birth rates probably amounts to population collapse, but we are in uncharted territory and can't know for sure how it plays out.
More like almost never
Well, let's wait until the Boomers go into retirement and the economy really crashes, due to the lack of manpower. Maybe some people will change their view on immigration then.
Nah, we can just lower their pensions when they aren't in power anymore.
What are they going to do, destroy the planet for profit even more?
what happened in turkey? how did they increase so heavily? didn't large amounts of their population move to central europe in that same timeframe?
Larger amounts of Syria fled to Turkey.
Since 2006 it is about migration to and from Germany is about equal. A lot of Turks moved back to Turkey as the economy grew and well with a German pension Turkey is a great place to live, especially when you speak the langauge and have family there.
Other then that the Turkey has natural population growth and Syrians and other migrants moving to Turkey.
Turkey has brain drain. The educated people are moving away. Those are usually the ones with smaller families.
Ukraine pre or post invasion? So what point of 2022?
Ireland is interesting here. I donβt believe they have as many people immigrating to them as other countries, which indicates this is mostly people not leaving as was widespread until the 00βs.
Itβs a combination of immigration and returning emigrants.
You mean people don't want to live in wartorn and just plain shitty countries and flee to more progressive and human right focused countries. Weird. And now those shitty countries just get shittier because those that could leave did and they are usually the healthy/smart people.
Norway had a birth number of 1.41 in 2022. We are absolutely dependent on immigration to uphold our society.
We have our flaws as well, but we're not a shitty country
I love how russia has just a penis on it. Rofl
They're about to lose so hard you guys, Slava Ukraini π fuck putler amirite
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