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Some mentioned the other one was old. Heres a two-day old article on the same issue.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Good. California regulations have done nothing to improve gun violence in their state when compared to less restrictive states like Texas. Even ignoring the blatant constitutional issues.

Texas has 3.2 gun murders per 100k. California has 3.4/100k.

Source, from the Murders section

Better social safety nets would be far more effective at reducing all forms of violence.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (25 children)

California regulations have done nothing to improve gun violence in their state when compared to less restrictive states like Texas.

That's not true. You're being incredibly misleading by only looking at murders instead of gun violence as a whole.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

Texas has significantly more firearm deaths than California, 9/100k vs 15/100k. Nationally, California is lower than average in gun deaths.

And that's even after the surrounding states with far more lax gun policy negatively effects California's rates.

Basically all of the states with the highest gun death rates are republican states, and that's not a coincidence.

Better social safety nets would be far more effective at reducing all forms of violence.

We should be doing both. The lack of social stability/mobility and health services is a part of the core problem. But it is not the only part the other part is that literally any lunatic or untrained owner can get a gun despite being unfit due to the countless loopholes.

Just as we have the right to vote and a requirement to register, so to should we have the right to bear arms with a requirement to register.

Just as we have the right to own cars and a requirement to be licensed (and therefore trained), so to should we have the right to bear arms with the requirement to be liscensed (and therefore trained.

If you are incapable of registering, being liscensed, or trained to safely own a gun, then you shouldn't have a gun.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Once again lumping in suicides without clearly stating such, to artificially bolster gun violence. This data includes suicides, which a mag disconnector, chamber indicator, registry, etc won't help with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Once again lumping in suicides without clearly stating such

Suicides are a form of gun violence.

This data includes suicides, which a mag disconnector, chamber indicator, registry, etc won’t help with.

I never made that argument, so this is a strawman.

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