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If they're going to make people ride bikes and scooters in traffic, then it should at LEAST be legal to do the Snow Crash thing where you use a hook-shot-style harpoon to catch free rides from cars.

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[–] adriaan 117 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm so happy this is becoming more mainstream. Huge props to people like NotJustBikes for such effective propagandizing.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

It was something I never could put words to until NJB showed up. I had already moved to NYC to get away from the burbs and driving.

And then I took the orange pill.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago

Yep. The combination of moving to New York City and reading "death and life of great American cities" really pushed me into being anti car culture. That and looking back at growing up in the suburbs where I couldn't do anything without a car. Age like 10-17 sucked. I was so jealous of the kids that lived in the city and could go out and do things.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do we insist on putting the bike, car and pedestrian main pathways on the same corridor?

Split them up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Space and cost

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

Ok absolute mood

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I was in very bike-friendly Copenhagen last summer and yes, it was nice. I do think in order for cars to move out of cities, we need to focus more on public transportation in the suburbs of big cities, so people could easily access the city without paying an arm and a leg for parking.

I lived in a suburb about 20 min outside of Philadelphia in high school, and It was nice hopping the train in and out, then getting into my car and driving home.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, parking really kills it.

In Houston, by the time you've paid for the parking and the light rail ticket you've spent more than you would paying for extra gas and for a space in the parking garage at your destination.

So public transit ends up costing more AND adds 30-60 minutes to the commute, plus a 5-block walk in 115°. Why wouldn't I take my air-conditioned recliner?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, NYC is horrible for this too, and even the parking in NJ across the river is ridiculous if you want to ride in from there. There is a train, but that's gotten expensive too. It's just a shitshow.

I'm not anti-car or bike but we really don't have a good system in place for either when it comes to cities.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

As a resident, I just use a monthly pass and it's cheaper than when I had a car and the insurance, gas, and maintenance in a lower cost of living area.

Sure, the MTA isn't perfect, but you can access a lot of the city through the trains and buses. If you've ever driven in the city it can be a lot worse when you include parking. If we were to convert buildings into parking, you would end up with a ton of sprawl and a less walkable city.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Danish public transit infrastructure is a joke and there isn't any political will to improve it so it's just unreliable and extremely expensive.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I did have a very confusing time taking a bus out of Copenhagen. I got yelled at by a driver but I didn't understand how to pay (I thought you paid on the bus?) And there was no instruction on how to do it and no one would help. He just let me get on, but he was mad about it, lol.

I figured out how to pay for my trip back though, due to a very kind lady.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If you're ever in Copenhagen again, there are 24, 48 and 72 hour tickets that are a bit more expensive than figuring out the system but worth it for short visits.

Also, there's a variant that gives access to almost all museums and lots of other interesting places.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Take a look at Oulu. If you don’t live in the city center, you can ride your bike to get there. The lames for light traffic are numerous and we’ll maintained. The busses are fine, as long as you are mindful if the schedules.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sometimes I feel like I'm in a cult. Other times I feel like everyone else is in a cult. Is that bad?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I think that might be what it means to have an opinion tbh…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

We are one, and you're welcome to take the train in and out

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Love to see Snow Crash references

[–] Gorilladrums -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This anti-car shit is starting to become another brainless cult. The issue with North American urban planning was never with the cars themselves, but rather with our over reliance on them. Bike paths, public transport, better walkability, and mixed zoning are all great things but cars are still very useful tools. Banning them entirely will cause more problems then it will solve.