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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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Cops aren't supposed to be smart

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Killings by law enforcement in Canada

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Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Can we hack it and make it so all it does is take nut shots at the nypd?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The robot is almost as tall as the mayor — but at least three-times as wide around the waist

Body-shaming the robots is how the machine revolt begins.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Government and corporate creeps seeing dystopian sci-fi works: "What an excellent idea!"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"The police robot, which is painted white, insisted that the mayor, who is black, made what is believed to be a 'gang sign' with his hand and aggressively placed it on its body. The mayor is now recovering in a nearby New York hospital after allegedly being shot 18 times by the police robot. Despite the entire event being caught in camera, the NYPD insists that the robot is innocent and did nothing wrong."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Seems legit

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Adams also proudly stated the cost-effectiveness of the robocop as compared to a human transit cop: The city is leasing the robot for $9 an hour.

“This is a good investment of taxpayer dollars,” he said. “This is below minimum wage, no bathroom breaks, no meal breaks.”

I'm genuinely surprised the union is ok with this.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's because cop "unions" aren't real unions.

Real unions protect the employment of all their members while fighting for better wages and working conditions.

Cop "unions" defend criminal cops from the consequences of their actions, fight for impunity for all cop killers (killers who are cops) and lobby the government to fund those heinous activities.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps killer cops would have been a better phrase.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both work. A cop killer can be killer of cops or a killer who happens to also be a cop. I like it over killer cop for two reasons

  1. it implies that the killer part is the essence and the cop part is external to that

  2. it replaces a term meant to set apart a category of killers for being worse because they kill cops (as if "blue lives matter" more than all others) with the many times more common killer that's worse for being a cop.

[–] TopShelfVanilla 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's nice that you like your way and all, but the phrase 'cop killer' has a long standing accepted meaning in the English language. You are simply wrong here.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Standard isn't automatically the only correct usage of a word or phrase. As long as it makes sense and is understandable, it's correct enough. Live a little.

[–] TopShelfVanilla 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except that what you said was not understood as you intended. Entertaining willful ignorance is not 'living a little '. Be better.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I explained concisely but thoroughly what I meant and the logic made sense. Regardless, ignorance doesn't enter into a deliberate subversion of conventions.

You're just being a crotchety prescriptivist and/or doubling down because you don't want to admit you're wrong. YOU be better.

[–] TopShelfVanilla 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While word salad is a lovely side dish to serve with total bullshit none of us is eating what you're serving up. Your writing smells like a 14 year old's attempt at intellectual edgy. Chat GPT come up with that for you? Your generation was supposed to be creative and interesting. You are proving yourself to be lazy and boring. Trying to impress strangers on the Internet. How lame can you get?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Dude, chill already. I'm just using language creatively and calmly explaining my reasons for doing so and how it's a perfectly normal thing to do rather than categorically wrong and an assault on the language itself. Nothing "edgy" about that.

Btw, your assumptions are not only extremely ageist, they're also flat out wrong on every count: I'm 40, not 14, you're the one being intellectually lazy and boring by stubbornly sticking to an ultra-strict interpretation of etymology, and I've never used ChatGPT for anything, let alone for explaining to a blowhard like you how language can be flexible 😂

Seems you're right about being vanilla, but top shelf? Not so much 🙄

[–] TopShelfVanilla 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Language is flexible, but it's not a contortionist. You ran into the room claiming red was now blue because you said so and that's not how anything works. At forty you should know better. Instead, you choose to obfuscate and avoid and hide behind isms and stay wrong. That's cool.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

😴 I can see that I'm not going to get anything but overdramatic mischaracterizarion and unearned condescension out of you, so let's just stop here. Have the day you deserve.

[–] TopShelfVanilla 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

420? Nice!

Wait, Robocop? Not nice!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What a waste of tax payer money

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

So is this just a mobile camera maybe with a speaker from someone in a control room who can say, "stop that!".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So is our plan to use magnets or does someone have a better idea

[–] TopShelfVanilla 3 points 1 year ago

First the guy in the ski mask with the can of spray paint...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Next month, they will debut the 840-pound ED-209

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The press conference ended with a photo op for the mayor and the NYPD's latest recruit. The mayor made a half-heart shape with his hand and pressed it to the K5’s waterproof exterior. The robot did nothing.

Love this last line. Ultimately the robot can't do anything other than alert the police.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can't wait until someone pushes that onto the tracks in front of an oncoming train

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When asked whether the robot was at risk of vandalism in New York City, the mayor strode over to it and gave it a few firm shoves. “Let's be clear, this is not a pushover. 420 pounds. This is New York tested,” he said.

Yeah. This thing is still going to find itself on the tracks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That weighs less than an average medium car from a short Google search and I've seen videos of groups of people lifting cars

And one new york city mayor is not representative of the nyc population

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Did... Did he just tell New Yorkers they aren't strong enough to do something?

The balls on that guy... I give it a week.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Here we go again….

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I wonder how expensive these robots are.

For completely unrelated reasons of curiosity, I wonder how susceptible they would be to a sledgehammer.

[–] Starb3an 1 points 1 year ago

How long before it gets stolen?