IMO all depictions of women should be removed and replaced with hot muscly mem
this post was submitted on 17 Sep 2023
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But those new men should also be covered in oil so you know they are replacing women.
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Unflawed female characters that make all the right decisions get called a "Mary Sue"
Unflawed male characters also suck to be fair, give me a group of fuck-ups any day over Jason Statham types.
Jason Statham types still have flaws, they're being played by Jason Statham
Flawed female characters get called Mary Sues lmao
If someone thinks Rey is a Mary Sue and Luke Skywalker is not, they need their head examined.
Rey's only flaw was her acting. Lol "flawed".
And Luke is not a Gary stu. He's a Padawan who happened to have an emotional connection to the bad guy he could leverage. If you actually watch the OT you realize that Luke is straight bad at being a Jedi.
Rey is the most perfect person ever who don't need no Jedi master to ruin her yass girl vibe.
I could write a thesis on why only people with brain rot compare the two.
See? Needs his head examined
See? Brain rot.
I have never heard.
From that very series: Walter White vs Skyler White. The public perception of both was quite disperate, considering one was a housewife and the other was a murderous, aspiring drug lord.
A lot of female characters all do he same thing; The protagonist men are getting up to shenanigans and their loved ones are telling them to stop it for the sake of love and / or responsibility. The thing is that as the audience we're entirely there for the shenanigans because that's there the action or tension takes place.
Suddenly you have a character that is telling the protagonist to refuse the call to adventure which results in delaying the excitement, it's a recipe that's makes the audience associate the character with boring parts of the show, especially in breaking bad where the relationship is depicted as an old marriage with no romance left, nobody is rooting for it.
I'm very aware of the trope. That doesn't justify the level of disdain shown in comments like the one jackoneill so eloquently shared on this very thread.
I agree, I suppose the root of what I meant was that the hatred Skyler gets is half blatant misogyny and half because she's written to be the fun police.
I remember when the TV show Arcane was coming out, there were lots of judgemental comments towards a character called Caitlin, but 3/4 of the main characters of that show are women and the others didn't see similar hate, but it was Caitlin who often made the lawful and restrainted decisions.
Although I also agree that if the character of Caitlin was a man instead, they'd have gotten much less hate.
More to the point: Hank Schraeder versus Skylar White.
I wouldn't say that's a more apt comparison since Hank got much more of a redemption arc ~~(though he admittedly wasn't "bad" to start, just insufferable)~~ than Skylar did. Walt willfully went all out in his bad choices while Skylar was mostly just left to react to his bs, but he is still viewed more favorably than she is.
Hank has much lower lows than Skylar ever did.
Hank became an outright abusive piece of shit at one point during the series, constantly verbally berating his wife until he pushed her over the edge and triggered her kleptomania.
The worst Skylar ever did was sleep with someone outside of the marriage that Walter had already destroyed.
You know, that's fair.
Have you considered that the perspective may be driven by the former being the protagonist, while the latter is not?
Considering the long, ongoing history of female characters (and real women, to be frank) being derided or dismissed for any number of "flaws" not held against their male counterparts, I don't think that generous, context-less assumption is really worth merit.
Do you have any examples?
Ummm...the majority of human history? Are you seriously expecting me to spoon-feed you a history lesson here? Just Google "Women's rights" and see where that leads you, though I have the notion you're not actually looking to learn much.
You explicitly mentioned an ongoing history of female characters treated unfairly compared to their male counterparts.
The minimum you should be able to provide is a female character and its male counterpart.
If I search on Google "women's rights" I don't find that.
Dude, I literally started the thread with an example. Regardless, I'm not here to convince you of basic historical precedent, nor am I interested in falling into the trap of you quibbling over whatever other example I could mention to dismiss any and all context like you already exhibited you will do.
But Skyler was such a bitch!
lol
But Skyler sang the cringe birthday song!
Boy, if this isn't the perfect character example to illustrate the phenomenon.
Can you explain your memetic image? I am not quite sure I understand what you're trying to say.
People love flawed male characters and are willing to forgive them almost all missteps, but don’t treat female characters with flaws the same way.
To keep with the show the meme originates from: Think Walter white, the viewer is suckered into his thinking and supports most of his shit until he goes really off the rails. During rewatches of the show it is much more obvious that Walt is a piece of shit who can’t leave well enough alone out of personal pride.
Meanwhile skyler is almost universally hated during the first watch. That whore who fucked Ted and keeps messing up Walt’s plans? Fuck her.
And then you watch it again and realize she’s just a normal woman trying to cope with an egomaniac husband and to keep her kids safe from his crime escapades.
This is all true, 100%
I still can’t stand her
Remember the last scene of the pilot episode? No wonder Walter went nuts if that’s what his life has become
That birthday handjob while on a laptop shit stabbed me in my soul
I mean there’s therapy, divorce, fuck even cheating. It becoming a drug lord….? He’s zero percent admirable or justifiable. If that stabbed you in your soul I hope you can get some couples therapy or something.
I still can't stand her
That's the point of the meme,lol
But also they specifically made her character unlikable. You were supposed to find her irritating in comparison to Walter, who is an objectively worse person. I think that was almost the entire point of her, to make you side with an objectively bad person over the other slightly less objectively bad person.
The rewatch feeling is spot on. Walt was completely passive when we meet him and then he becomes.a gigantic, abusive asshole. It's tough to watch again because he destroys so much.
It's annoying how many people are like "she treated him like a child" and then use that to justify what he does. Which includes sexual assault, murder, gaslighting, emotional manipulation, oh and making drugs.