this post was submitted on 13 Sep 2023
255 points (96.0% liked)

Technology

59105 readers
3200 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Electromagnetic radiation, as in visible light, radio signals or as this Iphone has a fucking RMBK melting its core inside?

Someone has a link to those test they performed to claim this?

I call it bullshit

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Microwaves. It's microwaves.

Phones are slightly above FM radio and slightly below microwaves in terms of wavelength.

They're a non-ionizing radiation emitter.

The radiation emitted by phones ain't gonna hurt ya.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That's right! However, remember that bananas have potassium-40 in it, which is radioactive. Not much, though. So be very very mildly careful around bananaphones! /old joke

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Back in the early 00s there was this wave of "phones give you cancer" panic and my friends father made them put on this stupid sticker on the back of their phone to "stop the radiation". Anyways it was stupid and your comment reminded me of it xD

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You take that back!

I had a sticker that had flashing LEDs powered solely on the radiation coming from the phone. It was awesome.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

OK now THAT is cool

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

My grandad still only uses his phone on loud speaker because of this

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Ring ring ring ring ring

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also remember that plants have been around before humans and that we evolved to resist natural radiations. We haven't evolved yet to be around devices that produces more radiations than the limit agreed by scientists

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Radioactive bananas is a relatively new thing resulting from all the nuclear bomb testing that went on from the 40s in to the 90s.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I seem to remember it was not a ionization issue but something with local temperatures increases around the ear when you were using it without an earset.

Anyway, Apples knows what the norms are, decided not to care, gets caught and has to retire a phone, nothing exceptional here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

3.8 roentgen. Not great, not terrible.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I doubt they'd have to retire the phone - digital radio power levels are normally pretty easy to change in the radio firmware. Which also means it's pretty easy to change, intentionally or unintentionally, in a later OS version.

Perhaps Apple chose to cheat to improve reception after mandatory testing was complete and the phone was available to buy, figuring they'd never get caught out. Perhaps Apple didn't retest with later OS versions and it was unintentional. We will probably never know.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Can't you read? The article says the EU has a limit of 4 watts per kilogram and the device produces more than that. Scientists agreed on that limit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

How is it 2023, when everybody uses microwave radios for communication constantly, and there are still people that don't understand the absolute basics, like the difference between radio/light radiation and ionising radiation? And how important transmit power is to how dangerous or not a radio wave is?

They do teach this stuff in schools still, right?

It boggles my mind. It's not some complex difficult topic, it's like not knowing how electricity works, or how your body works. This is basic child level knowledge that everybody interacts with every single day, so it behoves them to understand it at least at an introductory level.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah that's what I thought... non-ionizing radiation fear, once again.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had a neighbor in Paris who would knock on our door and tell us to turn off the wi-fi because he was allergic.

To wifi.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

To be fair, it's not completely made-up. There is a body of evidence that suggests that even non-ionizing EM radiation may have so-called "biological effects" in humans.

Organizations like the Environmental Health Trust have been banging the "cellphones cause infertility and cancer" drum for years, and cites numerous studies on their website.

Of course, much of this research is of questionable relevance to real-world use cases involving actual phones and actual humans as opposed to, say, a bunch of rats being exposed to low-power microwaves in a lab for hours on end, but it exists nonetheless.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Environmental Health Trust is a single issue organization founded to specifically claim that radio waves are dangerous.

They are alarmists bereft of credible arguments and should be treated as such.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile apple and chinese factories have 0 interests in shadowing researches that could put in danger their biggest source of income

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Certainly, but the existence of this research is why countries like France are taking this precautionary approach.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

EHTrust are mad as a box of frogs. They claim that phones cause cancer, which is something that all major cancer research charities dispute. Nothing they say can be taken seriously.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eh

That took them 3 years? Lol

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

They suspect it was increased with a software update because it was ok before the recent tests.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

France is really a strange country

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

C'est pas faux

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

The agency said the iPhone 12 met the threshold when radiation levels were assessed for a phone kept in a jacket or in a bag.

Free bumpers incoming

load more comments
view more: next ›