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For discussion of the history of the internet... and especially the present state of the internet, whatever ever-changing state that may be. Link to an archive of curated online content about the internet can be found within, please help add to and back up the archive where it will never be truly lost.

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[–] MomoTimeToDie 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not even moderation issues. It's often just mods wanting to completely cut off any content theu personally don't like

[–] ToyDork 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yeah, that kind of behavior can't be allowed to happen in the Fediverse. ~~I already have found out that this instance and lemmy.zip aren't compatible anymore for no good reason.~~

EDIT: Turns out I should have used all lowercase letters in trying to find the sister sites of this and c/openttd on lemmy.zip, I am dumb.

[–] MomoTimeToDie 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Unfortunately internet mods, fediverse or not, are usually a bunch of power tripping basement losers who often end up abusing their position to censor people and ideas they don't like.

[–] ToyDork 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Also, I get what you're trying to say; reddit was even worse about that kind of thing. But that's my whole point: Community managers cannot be trusted with defederation, imagine if reddit didn't allow the linking of twitter tweets or tumblr posts or whatever when corporate social media was actually desirable and then wonder how people would react to the promises of Web 2.0 and its "better convenience" factor.

Mark my words, if defederation is not removed from the watchmen's reach, they will try to destroy the entire fediverse with it.

[–] MomoTimeToDie 3 points 2 years ago

Exactly. I see little internet mods throwing around defederation like that scene from megamind where tighten says "more like under new management". Their problem with reddit wasn't the overbearing admins, it was that they weren't the overbearing admins themselves

[–] Zeppo 3 points 2 years ago

my experience on reddit is that some mods are cool and others think their position means they get a Power Downvote.

[–] ToyDork 1 points 2 years ago

I mean, I'll admit I fit the "basement" definition, and as for "loser" I've unfortunately never succeeded in ANY long term life goals - always due to circumstances beyond my control - which makes me a "loser" in the sense of "never wins", but power trips and the people who enjoy them are a pet peeve of mine. Honestly, I despise the proud assholes of the world so much that my trademark deadly sin is wrath, but I promise to do my best with this "reset" of the internet provided by the downfall of the old overcentralized crapsack world wide web 2.0 that had us all trapped in corporate nightmares.

[–] seriousslayerguy 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I thought lemmy mods were different :( WHY isn't there a platform without sweaty power trippin mods?! WHY?!

[–] ToyDork 3 points 2 years ago

I'm sorry, I'll try to be better than most of the others, even though I'm having to set ground rules based heavily on my personal moral code. At the very least, I won't allow banning of links to competing archives' content, and I will do my best to not let personal feelings lead to long-term bans. Also, I have a personal rule (and a rule for every community I create and manage) that no ban can exceed 730 days (or 731 days IF one of those days is the February 29th of a leap year) or 2 years.

[–] Daefsdeda 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can somebody please explain what defedaration means?

[–] gongoozler 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Communities can federate to share users and communities. Defederating cuts that off.

[–] ToyDork 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Honestly, it's bullcrap and should be disabled as a feature; too easy for power-hungry mods to abuse.

[–] Ajen 2 points 2 years ago

I don't think mods can defederate, I think that power is limited to the site owner/admin. It also has a legitimate use, IMO. Without being able to defederate, spammers could create their own instances with virtually unlimited user accounts and communities, which would make them virtually impossible to block. Some level of censorship is desirable, IMO. Instances promoting loli, for example, should be defederated.

[–] Daefsdeda 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thanks gongloozer for the explaination. And yeah that would be super annoying cause i love browsing all

[–] ToyDork 1 points 2 years ago

For sure. Thanks, /u/gongoozler, that's good to know.