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EU prepares to push for ‘global phase-out’ of fossil fuels at COP28, draft document shows::A proposal to phase out CO2-emitting fossil fuels at COP27 last won backing from more than 80 countries but oil and gas-rich nations opposed it.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Given the history of COP either one of two things will happen - (a) it gets rejected completely, citing some technicality like 'a bad comma in paragraph 36 that means the chinese delegate will never sign' or (b) it'll get agreed, then every country will proceed to completely ignore it.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The world won't do shit until global agricultural output collapses and hundreds of millions starve... or maybe a wet-bulb heatwave that kills tens of millions.

Even then, at this point I figure the oligarchy view climate change as a good way to cull billions right around the time AI and robotics is rendering billions unemployable, so they'll probably continue fighting tooth and nail to burn more fossils.

[–] OberonSwanson 13 points 1 year ago

Depressing and sad, but it’s likely and they can tell themselves “nature caused it”, so they can sleep easier with their choice. Until they start taking those statistics into account, they’ll continue paying to ignore it. The governments are complicit, with the lower rungs trying to squeeze into the survivors group.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This was needed 20 years ago, now is probably too late. So heres a lyric written by Fit For An Autopsy about this very thing:

"A thousand fires turn the forests into dust and bone.

A wind so thick with ash, statues shatter into stone.

Retreat beyond the walls where vultures go to die.

Scavenge for substance as the last is swallowed by the flies."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The best moment to act was yesterday. The second best moment is now.

It's not too late.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It might not be, but the measures needed are increasingly extreme and verbose. We do not have time to plan.

Edit: downvote if you want, but we needed to plan before now, we didn't. Its the truth.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It may be too late to avoid negative effects if climate change but it’s never too late to avoid worse effects

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'd be down to organize.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


European Union countries are preparing to push for a global deal on phasing out fossil fuels at the COP28 climate summit, a draft of the EU's negotiating position has shown.

Diplomats from the bloc's 27 member states are drafting their position for the summit in Dubai in November, where nearly 200 countries will try to strengthen efforts to rein in climate change.

"The shift towards a climate neutral economy will require the global phase-out of [unabated] fossil fuels and a peak in their consumption already in the near term," a draft of the EU's negotiating stance, seen by Reuters, says.

At last year's UN climate summit, a proposal to phase out CO2-emitting fossil fuels won backing from more than 80 countries but Saudi Arabia and other oil and gas-rich nations opposed it.

Some EU countries seeking faster action on cutting CO2 want to agree on limits for CO2 capturing technologies - to restrict their use to sectors without alternatives, diplomats said.

While not legally binding, the idea behind a global deal to gradually quit fossil fuels is to create a powerful "north star" to guide future climate negotiations, government policies and investments towards energy sources and technologies that do not contribute to heating the planet.


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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Ballsy thing to propose in Dubai.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
  1. Make the poor throw away old cars that they don't have the money to replace.
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would guess they can still be owned and used

But gas prices are gonna go up as demand falls?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

In Spain, many cities are plainly forbidding them next year.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

A lotta fossils that need to be phased out,