Other methods of what?
this post was submitted on 25 Jun 2023
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I for one wish we could return to the lawlessness of old phpBB boards from the late 90s. Weren't no karma points to work any back then.
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If there has to be something then probably karma that is strictly for the past month of activities.
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Any shortcut method of mimicking reputation can be and thus will be abused, so they're all toxic.
The only sure way to do it is the good old-fashioned way - by name recognition - actual, earned "reputation."
The way it used to work on all forums and still does on some smaller ones is that people just read posts and write their own posts and over time they come to recognize each other's names and associate them with some impression of each individual's value as a poster.
And yes - that's not very effective in gigantic forums, and it's not accessible to newcomers. You need a relatively small group of posters and new people have to pay attention in order to figure out who are the better or worse posters. That's just the way it is, and is one of the problems with gigantic forums.
by name recognition - actual, earned "reputation."
That...is going to mean most people are untrustworthy after a few months. You won't recognize most people you speak to.
Keep in mind forums also usually only had maybe a 100 people at the most. We're dealing with potentially thousands in one thread.
I also find it really strange you gave that as "The Only Way", then by the end said that it doesn't really apply here.
People like big numbers. Karma systems exist because they encourage posting and engagement. Stifling growth because Karma is toxic is bad for everyone in the long run. What matters is growth.
It's very easily abused. Does Karma affect article and comment visibility on Reddit? I don't know the details, but if so I'd suggest that it not do so here. Maybe just have it be a number calculated from boosts, upvotes and downvotes that you can see on the profile if you are a mod trying to determine if someone tends to troll, but not something that has any affect on whether or not your stuff is displayed.
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This may be a dumb Idee so please go ahead and tell me if it is. It seem ppl use it to know who to block in advance. What if you get a red name or some kind of info on the profile if the account has been blocked by other users and it is above 10 or 20 blocks? Would that help? That would suck for that account because it will forever be the ass hole account. But at least no one would really want to farm that except the trolls who want ppl to know they are trolls.
I like how it is now tho. It is good when the mods are responsible first and foremost instead of a system.
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I think a reputation system is important, though reddit's current karma implementation is bad, there needs to be a method of identifying bad actors and forum shifters.
One refinement over karma could be that the score is kept only by community and should reflect that users contribution to the community.
Simple upvotes and downvotes also don't allow for nuance, replace them with a Buzzfeed like tag system (yes I know we all hate the site for its content but its tag system if used properly could be pretty powerful.
So instead of 'up' and 'down', you have a clickable emoji-menu like list of tags like 'interesting', 'boring', 'funny', 'WTF!?', 'Quality', 'Trash', 'Educational', 'CAT', etc...
So the reputation score for the community isn't just a flat number, rather it will tell you the kind of content a person posts over time, and doesn't carry just flat positive or negative connotation.
I mean the king of Catposting may have massive reputation in meme subs with high ranks in tags for 'Funny', 'Cute', and 'CAT' though that might not be the case if they participate in say a chemistry QnA community.
As these scores are created over time based on each users contributions (post AND comment reputation is the same thing) to the sub as scored by other people's tag selections for that users posts. The more it aligns with the community, the greater their contribution score.
Does this mean that toxic communities can form that exclude people based on reputation tags that the toxic community detests?
Unfortunately yes, that is one of the flaws of the system.
THOUGH
The fact it is contained by community means that a high rep person in an anti-trans community will not have any carryover reputation when joining a community they wish to brigade or degrade the quality of content, and their tag history will make it easy to determine their genuine engagement.
This was basically my idea, though as I've been reading through other people's posts and thinking about it a bit harder, I'd rather have something like an accolade system, which is basically what you described except the accolades or emojis available are decided either by op or by topic.
Personally I don't think negative options are terribly important, however I can see how in some cases they would be useful to have.
I would hope that there would be a quick limit of 2 or 3 accolades per topic, and having the topic sorted by whichever accolade people would be interested in. Such as a science post being sorted by either "informative" or "accurate" replies.
A more general topic like Pic sharing could have a few different accolades to give the post a quick tag to be sorted by. Things like "cute", "interesting", or "gross".
Users would gain a small color bar of accolades as they use the platform with an overall number of all of them and a brief breakdown of which accolades they have the most of.
To keep it tidy, we'd just need to create a short but useful list of accolades that would fit pretty much any type of content we can imagine, and I'd be interested in seeing a few "super accolades" for certain account types, such as bots.
I think the awards system from Reddit could work, just without it being monetized. The awards let you see how people feel about the comment, and it’s more than just good/bad, like/dislike.
Non-algorithmic ordering, auto-collapse replies after a certain user-preferred setting.
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I'm not from reddit, what is a reputation and what practical effect does it have? Is it just upvotes minus downvotes?
I found a reputation in my profile of "1" but I don't have a clue where that came from. I'm not sure why we need to have scores associated with our accounts, that in itself seems toxic to me to care about (clout chasing).
Upvoting comments in threads makes sense, I'm just not seeing any actual practical connection with the thing called "reputation" on my profile. What does it do in a best case?
On reddit, this was "karma," and it was your total upvotes minus downvotes, yeah. Socially, I know some people used it to judge whether the person they were fighting with had a strong history of acting like a troll (karma way in the negatives from all the previous downvotes).
Subreddits could also set minimum karma limits so anyone with less than X amount of karma (usually bot accounts) couldn't post there. Until the bot reposted something popular, and then they had all the karma they could want, so it wasn't really very useful imo.
On Kbin, it got renamed to "reputation," but it currently doesn't really do anything. Right now, there's also an issue with the way it's calculated: downvotes make your reputation go down, but upvotes do nothing. It's boosts that make the recipient's reputation go up/make the thing boosted more important to the algorithm.
The boost button is basically the retweet button, but since kbin is primarily used as a forum more than a blogging service, people are much more likely to downvote than they are to reblog anything and it can cause your reputation to be lower than it should be. The dev here has already acknowledged it as a problem.
Really, I wish the reputation counter on profiles would be removed in the future. It's only visible on kbin in the first place, and the main thing it accomplishes is encouraging people to ~~karma~~ reputation farm via low-effort reposts and comments so they can watch the funny number go up. There's no real reason to keep it.
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User scores are bad. Up/downvotes are bad.
The whole point of them was to create a flow of content with minimum human intervention. That’s a huge goal and The Dream if you’re making money off social media. If you’re not making money off social media then it’s not doing you any good.
Abolish karma, abolish comment and post scores.
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