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[–] [email protected] 78 points 11 months ago (19 children)

ITT: A bunch of non-vegans complaining that content posted to a vegan community makes them uncomfortable.

Also ITT: A bunch of people who haven't been convinced to go vegan asserting how to convince people to go vegan. Not them, but other people of course.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago

For the second group, I always like to ask "Why should I use your argument to convince people when it didn't convince you?"

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

Seriously, non vegans need to shut the feck up unless they're willing to make the effort to stop hurting animals. Otherwise I'm not interested in their opinions.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I, on the other hand, went vegan so that I can be justified in not watching those videos blob-no-thoughts

And now instead I get to watch this cute video of a cow that's friends with a dog, without having to repress awkward questions about why animal cruelty is only socially condemned for certain animals and not others.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Not vegan, but I can definitely agree factory farms are vastly underregulated

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I feel like that sign is a bit alienating, which is unfortunate because it perpetuates the idea that vegans are holier than thou. As a person that (i think) understands the basic reasoning behind veganism (intentional non-participation in animal exploitation and cruelty?) i wish that more people would consider it. Hey, maybe that should be a sign

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (17 children)

People have been saying that for decades. It doesn't work. I never understood the concept of "protests shouldn't make me feel uncomfortable or inconvenience me." That kind of undercuts the purpose of a protest and trying to spread a message. If you make it so it's easy to ignore, it doesn't work. Without fail there's always the "ugh, someone who tries to make me feel bad about torturing and killing animals is simply not going to convince me to do otherwise." It's such a shitty excuse.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is something that I often think about in connection with veganism.

I can sit down and watch a video about how vegetables are produced. It might be boring, but I could watch it.

Most carnists, on the other hand, can't sit and watch how hamburger, sausage, cheese, etc. is produced. For them to enjoy that food, they have to ignore all the suffering behind it.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (8 children)

I've seen the video i have worked on farms it doesnt bother me terribly

[–] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

The videos made me want stricter regulation, it didn't make me want to go vegan or cut down on meat.

But there are other reasons to be a little more conservative with meat in my diet.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I find it hard to understand the disconnect you must experience.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

A lot of cruelty under capitalism is publicly permitted because people don't see how the metaphorical sausage is made.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, I feel like there's a lot of videos that would traumatize you if you watched them, not just ones related to meat. Sure there's traumatizing videos you should watch, but actively seeking that stuff out seems like no way to live.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Ok, but it's about something people actively and blindly participate and fund. Not just folks watching traumatizing videos for fun.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

Everyone is like "Yeah I know it's bad." But they still actively refuse to acknowledge just how bad it really is.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

I didn't even watch the videos. I just saw a video of someone's pet cow who was curled up in a little girl's lap getting a scratch after having been snuck into the porch by the kid, and that was enough. One day the light just goes on.

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