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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Aida said the new material is as strong as petroleum-based plastics but breaks down into its original components when exposed to salt.

If this means that it does not break down when exposed to just water, that's a pretty big deal. Water solubility has been the major issue making biodegradable plastics useless for food packaging (typically you want to either keep the food wet and water in, or dry and water out - either way water permeability is a problem).

Of course most foods also contain salt, so... I guess that's why the article talks about coatings. If the material has to be coated to keep it from breaking down too fast, what is the point? either the coating will prevent it from breaking down, or it just moves the problem to the coating not breaking down.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

It's cool we'll just slap some PFAS on there and fix 'er right up

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Plastic coated cardboard containers exist already, and are being widely used for food.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Well right, and coating them with plastic means that they leave plastic residue behind if they break down in an uncontrolled environment, and increases the cost and complexity of recycling:

If the paper has a plastic or aluminum coating, it can be recycled, but it is much more expensive and complicated.

Some plastic coatings can be separated from paper during the recycling process. Still, it is often cheaper and easier to use virgin materials to create new products than recycling paper coated with plastic.

Paper coated with plastic isn’t suitable for composting, and most times, such products are incinerated for heat or landfilled rather than recycled.

https://www.almostzerowaste.com/non-recyclable-paper/

Yes they already exist. They are not really better than pure plastic, they're kind of a form of greenwashing because they appear to be environmentally friendly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

They are not really better than pure plastic, they're kind of a form of greenwashing because they appear to be environmentally friendly.

That's my impression, since all the "environmentally aware" companies use them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

If the material has to be coated to keep it from breaking down too fast, what is the point?

Presumably you could only coat certain faces of the material (like ones touching food). Or maybe the coating could degrade in another more time-known fashion. So if the coating would be expected to last no more then 3 years then after the plastic could start to degrade.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You see the thing is, the point of plastic is that it doesn’t dissolve easily. I can see this having some niche applications, but this won’t be replacing most plastics any time soon.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

To be fair, this was originally the point of plastic. The primary point of plastic today is that it is an extremely cheap material that you can mould into pretty much any shape.

Need a bag to carry stuff? Plastic.

Packaging for toothpicks? Plastic.

Spacers inside an electric circuit? Plastic.

Packaging for clothes? Plastic.

Fake plant? Plastic.

Part of the problem is that we're using a wonder-material that lasts forever (plastic) for a bunch of mundane shit where we don't need it, because that wonder-material turns out to be the cheapest material around as well.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Its specifically sensitive to salt, so you can use it for anything with little or no salt without issue. Also it would be perfect for basically all packaging applications that dont involve food but do require an airtight seal. So you could probably replace the majority of all single use plastic packaging/containers with it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well let’s stop putting plastic into seawater and we won’t have to worry about it dissolving.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hope they can tune it to react only to a very specific type of salt water range or else it will not be applicable very often.

And I love this. More if this please

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

So then what can it be used for, other than being decomposed? Doesn't almost all food contain salt, and human sweat as well? It's not really useful on earth then, is it? Maybe for unmanned spacecrafts?

Well, the dream material would be some that is stable during use and then immediately falls apart when disposed. But that's not how things usually work, so anything that decomposes fairly quickly cannot be used to store food for example, as it would just mix with the food. And anything that is stable enough to store food does not decompose in a hundred years or so.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sounds great for non-food packages, such as small electronics, toys, etc. Anything that currently comes in a blister pack.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Depends on how much the salt content in the air at coastal places affect it. But if it doesn't that much, then sure, sounds good. Of course, also the intermediate products of decomposition should be nontoxic in that case.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Product packaging for non-foods

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[–] pastermil 3 points 1 week ago

Or we can, you know, have waxed paper?

Also, I thought we've already mainstreamed starch-based plastics.

Last but not least, we've had cellophane pretty much since the industrial revoltion. The current issue has been the productionlike containing toxic materials, but the end product itself is biodegradable. Perhaps we can improve on that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Good, good, there aren't enough microplastics in the sea, must dissolve more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago

huh. happy to know we'll never hear from this again! thanks capitalism!

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