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[–] [email protected] 181 points 1 week ago (8 children)

A few things to point out:

  • Microsoft created this extension and pays money to develop it
  • Despite that, they give it to programmers for free. It is still free of charge.
  • They explicitly said that using it outside of their products is forbidden (according to article: at least 5 years ago), they just didn't enforce it
  • Someone (here: Cursor developers), despite that, used it in their products and started to make money from it

What exactly are you mad at? When will programming community finally understand that Microsoft is not a non-profit company and its primary purpose is to make money?

[–] [email protected] 126 points 1 week ago (2 children)

https://ghuntley.com/fracture/ Because pretending your editor is open source while moving all the important functionality to proprietary plugins is a bait and switch.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Embrace.

Extend.

~~Extinguish~~. Extract rent now that everyone lives in / depends on your proprietary ecosystem.

I'd say they can't keep getting away with it!, but history shows they clearly can.

Literally monopolist strategy 101.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

This was all people were talking about when they bought GitHub. We've past the "Extend" stage now.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

One that's worked for Microsoft many times before (docx, for example). Its their favorite loophole.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's also blocked in VSCodium whose developers are not making money off it.

So that's not a nice thing.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

At least VSCodium cares about software licenses, (see it works both ways)

That Cursor (an AI focused) fork doesn’t shouldn’t be very shocking.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The problem is that they're killing competition. Treating a company with the market dominance of Microsoft like a normal company would be fatal for humanity. Because they are eliminating innovation by Cursor and they do not need to do this to finance their own innovation. Effectively, humanity gets less innovation by Microsoft doing this.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But Microsoft developed it in the first place. It's perfectly within their rights to pull it and developers making money off of their work isn't bad either. I love a good pitchfork to corporate, but this is honestly fine.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well; companies used to get anti-trust laser canon'ed from orbit for less; but good luck with that in modern America

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wholeheartedly agree that monopolistic practices should be nuked instantly, but I disagree that this was ever well enforced. Microsoft got away with murder in the 90's before they went to court and even then, feels like they got a slap on the wrist...

I think that this particular case is very far from that, but it does start to smell the same.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The problem is that they’re killing competition.

So, they pay to develop a product, for themselves, explicitly says "it's only for us, shoo shoo", and when they decide that their product, that they pay for, and provide for free to their user, should not be used by other, it kills the competition that did not do anything except take the product for free despite being told not to?

I'm not on the side of Microsoft for most things. But if doing nothing but taking someone else's free product qualifies to be competition that should be protected, we're having problems.

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[–] priapus 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Plus you can always just use clangd. Its what I've always used with every text editor that has LSP support.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Honestly moving to clangd has got to be the single best thing I've done in C++, it's cross platform and I've found it to be significantly faster, more reliable, and more featureful than Microsoft's C++ plugin by a long shot

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Don't be upset it took people a long time to realize Visual Studio Code is fauxpen source, just be glad they're finally realizing it. No need to be condescending and make people feel ashamed over it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Because a .vscode still pollute most open source projects. It"s annoying that they get people hooked on it that could use better tools instead.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Another reason to hate LLMs on the list.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 week ago

Oh, Microsoft is pulling the rug under your feet?

That's fuckin' news right there!

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Here we go!!! I was expecting the enshitification of this thing for past couple of years

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You are late. They have already did the same with C# extension, and made it closed source too.

[–] synapse3252 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not up-to-date: what did they do to the C# extension? I've been using it on a personal project and haven't experienced anything egregiously terrible (yet)

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

A lot of the C# ecosystem is open source (thank goodness), but the official debugger isn't, hence it only being available in the proprietary version of VSCode.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

They did it with python about 2 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

It was explicitly said to not use this outside of VSCode, so, I'm not sure where the surprise comes from.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago (8 children)

If someone is looking for an alternative, use the clangd extension. It’s much better compared to the Microsoft one. LLDB extension is good for debugging. Also works with gdb.

The only things I am lacking now is the one for remote, python.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Oooh I’ll give it a try, wasn’t aware of it.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Developers developers developers

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ballmer was definitely one of the CEOs of all time. I'm not convinced cocaine didn't play a large role in shaping Microsoft.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

sounds like M$'s real face : Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Good opportunity for Jetbrains to jump in. Maybe if they MIT licensed their community-edition tools.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Jetbrains have gone the opposite direction unfortunately. The latest version of PyCharm came with the announcement that PyCharm Community is being discontinued. Instead, they will provide just one PyCharm (the closed source one) formerly PyCharm Professional, that can operated in a Basic (Free) mode, or a Pro (Licenced) mode. Also, some features that were free in Community edition will be moved to the Pro mode in the new PyCharm.

It doesn't affect me personally because my workplace pays for a pro subscription for me, but I used PyCharm Community for 4 years during uni and I'm sad it's going.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Not sure if you read this blog post: https://blog.jetbrains.com/pycharm/2025/04/unified-pycharm/

Rest assured – our commitment to open-source development remains as strong as ever. The Community Edition codebase will stay public on GitHub, and we’ll continue to maintain and update it. We’ll also provide an easy way to build PyCharm from source via GitHub Actions.

PyCharm is - like all JetBrains IDEs - based on intellij-community and the "Pro" stuff just some fancy pre-installed plugin that requires a license.

Alternatively, you may choose to manually switch to the new PyCharm immediately and keep using everything you have now for free, plus the support for Jupyter notebooks.

So all community functionallities will also be available in the unified edition for free.

Also the Pro license - which you can also get 4 free in like 10 different ways - pricing is extremely fair: A license costs $100-60 for an individual, which is cheaper than most streaming subscriptions...

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

A company that is known for doing shitty things does shitty things.

Color me fucking surprised.

Honestly, at this point, I have ZERO sympathy for people who are still actively using microsoft products and running into problems.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yeah, they have already done this with other extensions like Python, this is not new behavior.
Honestly the biggest reason to stay away from VS Code

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

Microsoft

C/C++ extension

VS Code

so sad 🎤 🎻😢

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think a lot of people would really benefit from learning neovim

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Or Helix, it has a less steeper curve

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

Not an issue. Install Clangd and CodeLLDB. They are much better anyway (see my other comment).

The real golden jewel that Microsoft keeps to itself is the Remote SSH extension. There's no open source alternative as far as I know.

There's also Pylance but that only matters if you're using Python.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

They pulled the same thing with their widely used office format: base capabilities are standardised but most useful stuff is proprietary extension.

[–] mindbleach 13 points 1 week ago

Stallman was right, episode five billion.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just violate their rules and enable the microsoft extensions on forks

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe we need a new movement (or revisit past ideas from the 70s) that focuses on ensuring the openness regarding freedoms of computing (😉) that combat proprietary SaaS offerings? idk.

This is why OSS as an org needs a change IMO. Licenses like SSPLv1, where software can be supplied for free with options that allow a company to make money without risk of a cloud vendor snapping up their software (think Redis, MongoDB, etc) need a place at the table.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It looks like the extension is licensed under MIT https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-cpptools You can "simply" fork it and provide builds yourself, right?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago

Not the case. There are binary components.

It doesn't matter though because the Clangd & CodeLLDB extensions completely replace it and are actually waaaaaaay better.

With Microsoft's C++ extension it always rinsed the CPU - there were files I had to avoid opening because then it would analyse them and I'd have to kill it. The code intelligence also seemed very "heuristic" and was quite slow.

Clangd fixes all of that. It's fast, doesn't choke on huge files, and if you have compile_commands.json it's actually the first properly fast and robust C++ IDE I've ever used. You know if you've used a Java IDE the code intelligence just works and is fast and reliable. It's like that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Does Nano and GCC still work ok?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Only if you are desperate or masochistic.

[–] lagoon8622 9 points 1 week ago

I would never use nano because vim is right there

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