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When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take: https://archive.ph/quYyb

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I... very much do not like this. But the reality is that tech companies are FULL of libertarian tech bro types who only care about "policy" as it equates to their bottom line. And a LOT of companies are going to suck up to trump in the hopes of not being made an example of by the wannabe mafia administration. And the follow up response is still bullshit but it is useful idiot bullshit, if that makes sense.

Gonna look for alternatives but not optimistic.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

And a LOT of companies are going to suck up to trump in the hopes of not being made an example of by the wannabe mafia administration.

I could almost excuse that if they were American, but they are Swiss, as is Andy.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Louis Rossmann also has "Libertarian" vibes... 😖

[–] [email protected] 19 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (3 children)

Rossman has straight up chud vibes from when he was ranting about the situation where someone was allegedly screaming slurs at a delivery person through their amazon doorbell.

Also he is a guy who had to flee NYC because he couldn't run a business with regulations and instead go to Texas (?).

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[–] RmDebArc_5 41 points 13 hours ago (15 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

What the hell does he mean "we campaigned extensively"? Republicans did? And why is he including himself in that? He's not an American and therefore shouldn't be campaigning for a goddamn thing. And if he's quoting JD Vance then that part should actually be in quotes.

Who do Schumer's daughters lobby for? What's the name of the lobby? What have they lobbied for that's actually passed and was it supported by Democrats and Republicans? Like is he gonna post actual policy or anything that Republicans have put forth for antitrust? Or is he just spouting off and doubling down in order to be defensive with little to no actual facts to back up his claims.

He could have talked about Gail Slater's track record and why she's a good fit. Instead he talked some nonsense straight from the mouth of JD Vance and pulled some random whataboutism.

Don't you have a PR team? Like Proton, as a whole should be trying to fix this.

I also love that a user literally came with receipts and he has yet to respond.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Andy here, since it's my original post that's being reposted here, let me comment further.

My post is talking about Gail Slater, who is by all measures, actually a good pick, with a solid track record of being on the right side of the antitrust issue. Yes, she happens to be nominated by Trump, but her record speaks for itself.

This is not going to be a popular opinion, but on the specific issue of antitrust, Democrats fell short. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation. Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote. In the aftermath of this failure, great people like former Democratic rep David Cicilline left congress, leaving few strong voices for antitrust left in the Democratic party. In the meantime, at a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance.

By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand. And that's a missed opportunity for Dems, because by and large, support for cracking down on corporate monopolies is popular on both sides of the political spectrum. Unfortunately, corporate capture of Dems is real and in the end money won. It is hard to see how this changes, and Republicans are likely to lead the antitrust charge in the coming years.

From that perspective, and going back to my original post, Gail is a great pick. One should not equate our support of Gail for Proton not being neutral anymore. We continue to call out bad behavior from both sides, whether it's Dems or Republicans, on our core issues. Just a few weeks ago, we were called out for being in bed with Soros because we gave money to too many "liberal" organizations: https://proton.me/blog/2024-lifetime-fundraiser-results No, the Proton Foundation isn't the new Soros either (even if we may coincidentally fund some of the same things sometimes). We simply stick with our strongly held core believes, and leave politics out of it, because the issues we care about, should be apolitical.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Please just post it here. I can't access Reddit anymore.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Just get a VPN - I've heard good things about Prot... wait... scratch that. 🙄

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Unfortunately the VPN is likely the problem. The internet has become increasingly unusable with a VPN. Especially since the rise of all this AI stuff. This particular server frequently blocks my VPN as well. Another reason to keep as many things as possible local.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I can't hate the followup response. It is legitimately more important to support good policy (such as antitrust) than any particular team. Even if Trump and his entire administration are a joke (and they are), that doesn't mean the Democrats are the good guys here or that we shouldn't stand up for good policy just because it came from his administration. Praising the actual people who made the actual good policy decisions does not absolve Trump for all his shit and we shouldn't pretend it's as cut and dry as that.

All that said, giving Trump any fucking credit does seem ridiculous. The man would fuck over his mother for a dollar. I don't see why he'd give a shit about antitrust unless it benefited him somehow.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 12 hours ago

Read the replies. His response is bs

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 12 hours ago

That the democrats don't stand for the little guys anymore is something I agree with, but to then say the republicans do is wild

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 hours ago

Damn, and I just switched to proton because they have port forwarding and moderate NAT so that I can effectively seed torrents.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I wouldn’t say he embraced Trump, I’d say he is pro-breaking big tech, since that would probably help Proton.

Bernie Sanders even came out and said “hey, if Trump wants to cap credit card interest rates, I’m with him on that.”

Trump says a lot of shit to appeal to working class people. I don’t disagree with reminding him of what he said and holding him to those things, if he’s now going to be president.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

It's a completely brain-dead assessment. Musk, Bezos and Zuckerberg are all Trump supporters.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 13 hours ago

and hardcore ones at that. it's a transparent oligarchy

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 13 hours ago

Damn, not a great start to 2025 but I guess migrating away from Proton will be this month's project.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Goddammit, and I just signed up for a Duo account during their sale last year to try and de-google me and my partner's life.

Ugh, I guess it's still better than Google too, but I won't be migrating to their password manager or vpn. Now I have to fully anticipate leaving Proton ASAP as well. It's even more of a pita for my partner though, she's not a techie, part of the proton appeal was that the apps and integrations make switching convenient for her.

So fucking typical, I miss the "Don't be evil" days when engineers at least pretended to care about social issues and sometimes even actually did.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago

Now's probably not a bad time to mention I've used fastmail for years and it's great.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I can't catch a break.

EDIT: Nope. It's my fault. I was warned about Proton, and I didn't listen. I deserve this.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Warned by, how? A brief sentence with no citations would be enough for me.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

There're plenty of posts on Lemmy about Proton being shady sometimes. No Linux apps, creating a crypto app, and now this.

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