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Enough Musk Spam

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can anyone eli5 where his money comes from? I just can't comprehend that Tesla sells more than Amazon. Twitter is in freefall according to every news article in the past 2 years. SpaceX seems like it costs more than it makes with so many huge rockets having "rapid unscheduled disassembly."

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

He gained the vast majority of his riches from Tesla stock. According to this page outlining Tesla ownership, he owns about 20% of the company and that 20% alone is worth about $280 billion right now. How is it considered worth that much? Well, long story short, the stock market is detached from reality. People like to claim that it's rational but we're talking about an automotive company worth more than the next 62 or so automotive companies combined even though it produces a fraction of the vehicles of the others.

The only remaining argument to justify the value is future potential and some claim the stock market is "future looking" as if it can tell the future. What lies in the future for Tesla is apparently robotaxis, robots, and some other AI-based vaporware. People also claim that the batteries are a huge advantage for Tesla, but Tesla doesn't make the cells and they're not involved in the chemistries, they're just assembling cells into batteries. This is where China would absolutely destroy them, but of course Musk got the government to protect his ass by slapping 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs.

Speaking of the government, he also gets lucrative contracts from the government for SpaceX. He's one of the biggest welfare queens of all time. Tesla was saved early on by carbon tax credits (which was the only money maker for Tesla for most of its life), another policy government that built up Musk to what he is today. He likes to think of himself as some rugged individual capitalist, but he'd be nothing without the billions in government support.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Their rockets (Falcon 9) are literally the most reliable in history of spaceflight, and are still the only company that reuses rockets instead of building a new one for every flight - obviously a much cheaper approach, so they make boatloads of money. They made over 9 billion in 2023, likely more in 2024.

They do spend a lot on R&D, with all their test vehicle explosions as you noted, but this doesn't affect actual operations where profits are made.

Plus in addition to being a launch provider, they are now also bringing in ~4 billion a year through their ISP business (Starlink).

That being said, it doesn't explain Musk's wealth at all, it's still orders of magnitude away, so I'm as puzzled as you are.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This makes sense because robotaxis or some other vaporware.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Remember he invented the underground tunnel for cars and the overground tunnel for trains!

What happened with the hypertube? Did it consume all pubic funding for other public transportation and went to sleep?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

Isn't that the company that actually only ever made oversized lighters?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Nauseating.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Why don't elon the larger of them just consume the other two?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Elon Musk is worth less than Vladimir Putin, and any number of Saudi Arabian royals