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The petition is open to all EU resident. The goal is to replace all Windows in all public institution in Europe with a sovereign GNU/Linux.

If the petition is successful it would be a huge step forward for GNU/Linux adoption.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (28 children)

Double edged sword. Forced adoption of a shitty distro, or a really locked down/limited system might not be a step forward at all.

From memory, Germany did this many years ago, and ended up rolling it back?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago (5 children)

https://www.techspot.com/news/102518-windows-microsoft-office-replaced-linux-libreoffice-german-state.html

The 30,000 employees of Schleswig-Holstein's local government will be moving to Linux and LibreOffice as the state pushes for what it calls "digital sovereignty," a reference to non-EU companies not gathering troves of user data so European firms can compete with these foreign rivals.

Munich, the capital of German state Bavaria, switched from Windows to Linux-based LiMux in 2004, though it switched back in 2017 as part of an IT overhaul. Wanting Microsoft to move its headquarters to Munich likely played a part in returning to Windows, too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Then they went back to Linux a few years pater

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

From memory, Germany did this many years ago, and ended up rolling it back?

The city of Munich deployed their own custom Linux systems many years ago. But since it wasn't really maintained and updated, the user experience was pretty bad and the city's employees were unhappy. Then Micro$oft lobbyists also came in and made them switch - by threatening to move their German headquarters out of Munich, which would cost the city lots of tax revenue.

https://itsfoss.com/munich-linux-failure/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You think that Microsoft lobbyist would have had any traction if the user experience was any decent?

Of course not. They wouldn't have had any reason to switch.

That is the biggest issue with Linux at the moment. It takes more maintenance than Windows. And there are a lot less people with the knowledge to setup and maintain those environments.

At the end of the day, the point of those environments is to allow the user to work in them. But if the user is unable to work properly because of the environment, then that environment must be changed. It is as simple as that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Of course not. They wouldn’t have had any reason to switch.

Of course they would? Millions of euros of tax revenue sounds like a pretty compelling reason to me. This is why Micro$oft's "lobby efforts" should be labeled as what they are: Nothing more and nothing less than corruption.

It takes more maintenance than Windows.

If you create your own distro, yes. But there are countless noob-friendly distros like Mint, Ubuntu and Fedora that they could use with practically 0 maintenance required. Also, compare the 2004 desktop Linux experience to now. Having used Gentoo Linux compiled from a stage 1 tarball back in 2002, I can tell you: the differences are tremendous. Many of the issues they had can be directly attributed to OpenOffice and it's bad compatibility with Microsoft Office file formats, which has long been replaced by LibreOffice. It still worked out pretty well for them, over a period of 13 years. And it saved the tax payer millions of euros of Microsoft's stupid licensing fee for their crappy proprietary garbage.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (7 children)

No, it isn't a double edged sword. Even a mediocre distro would be better than Windows, any distro would be cheaper than Windows, and there's no reason to choose a bad distro anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

afaik Bayern rolled back to Windows after some Microsoft "lobbying"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Precisely the city of Munich had its LiMux system.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Government systems should be locked down and limited.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They then switched back to Linux

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Solution: don't ship a shitty distro. This is the sort of issue that actual IT professionals need final say in. Not the MBAs. Not the politicals. The people who actually know what they're doing. Additionally, years ago Linux was in a much different place. It's really matured into something more suitable for both the average end user as well as professional adoption.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe it's too early in the morning, anyone got a link, I couldn't find any?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

dunno how many online petitions actually worked, but "kay guys... now... linux!" ain't gonna work.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's a parliament petition. If it succeed it is forced by EU constitution to be turned into an EU law.

That tool is offered to EU representant to create a kind of referendum and accelerate the adoption of a law through direct democracy.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago

I think you're a bit mistaken. Per https://www.edf-feph.org/enforcement-toolkit-european-parliament-peti-committee/

"The Petitions Committee does not have investigatory nor enforcement powers and it can only adopt non-binding recommendations. Nevertheless, it can be a good tool to draw political attention to specific matters."

At most, it makes the parliament have to look at the proposal and decide if its worth looking into or not. It doesn't force anything.

Unless I'm looking at the wrong kind of petition to the EU Parliament?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Why creating a new distro instead of using a big one and contribute to it?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

They aren't building something from scratch. They probably are just going to make a base image with everything configured in a standard way.

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