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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy tells Suspilne media platform that under US president-elect Donald Trump the war in Ukraine will end quicker, according to Suspilne website.

Trump, who takes office in January, has said he’d seek a quick deal between Kyiv and Moscow.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz held a phone call earlier on Friday, the first direct communication between the leaders in almost two years and discussed the war in Ukraine.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So Trump insists that Ukraine surrenders and Zelenskyy goes along with it I assume is what’s being said here? Now, does Ukraine give up all their land or just what the Russians have captured so they can take the rest later?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd assume what they already captured. Also, I don't think they'll have any other option. At least it would be better than losing all the funding and weapons from the US and end up losing their whole country. Trump could very well throw a temper tantrum if they didn't agree on his "best deal in the history of mankind" as he might call it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yes, the deal might contain a freeze-frame solution for the already captured territories. They would be declared demilitarized zones (under russian administration). In addition to that, Ukraine needs to agree not to join NATO (IMO for the next 20 years or so).

It would be a net victory for Russia.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ukraine needs to agree not to join NATO for the next 20 years

This is just delaying the war; neither side will agree to this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Why not? It gives Russia 20 years to subsume Ukraine, so they’ll be fine with it, and Ukraine will be given the choice of “take it or be cut off from all further funding.”

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think Z must be playing the game: stroke Trump's ego.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Referring Zelenskyy as Z which is the pro-Russian war on Ukraine is offensive, isn't it? Also it's about the survival of his people, that only shows he can put his ego aside and try to appease Trump, something Trump couldn't ever do.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh sorry, we constantly forget Z is cursed and cancelled.

Elensky

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Yeah, wish we had a leader like him, no matter how you spell or abbrev his name.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If this were about the survival of his people then he wouldn’t have scuttled the Minsk Agreements. And he would have taken a much better peace deal ~2.5 years ago then he’ll ever get now, saving tens to hundreds of thousands of his people’s lives. But it isn’t about the Ukrainian people, it’s about the Ukrainian state and his own hide. It’s certainly not about the men being dragged off the streets by conscription squads and shoved out to the front line to die.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Russia had no reason to invade Ukraine in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Dude…. You HAD to know you were going to get the copypasta wall-of-text. There was no way this wasn’t going to happen.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Are negotiations finally happening behind the scenes? Ffs could've just done this from the beginning. Fuck boris

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Thanks. I'm not from the UK, I don't remember what Boris Johnson did in 2022.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm also curious about why they said that, but tbh, Fuck Boris (Johnson) is a fair thing to say pretty much anytime.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago

Because negotiations will be bad for Ukraine, but they are forced now cause trump.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

End the war in Ukraine so that the US can double its war efforts in the Middle East. Is that Trump's plan?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Don't also forget about East Asia.