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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The biggest thing will be all those nato countries who can't do anything with their US weapons if the US says so.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

If only there was a country in europe that had voiced this concern in the 50s, all of that could have been avoided... Oh wait.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let’s just kick America out if need be.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It isn't credible now. It likely won't exist at all in 4 years. Unless it cedes even more decision making authority to the US and becomes even more of a puppet.

[–] gravitas_deficiency 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The main point I was making is that Trump is almost certainly going to pull the US out of NATO altogether.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (6 children)

If not attempt to destroy it outright in an attempt to extort it.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Doesn't all authority already lie with the USA? If we're going to be real, I mean. I'm sure France thinks otherwise but let's be real: NATO was always the "Uncle Sam will protect Europe from Russia"-treaty.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can NATO still mean something if the US leaves? I think so, but there is much soul searching to be done.

[–] gravitas_deficiency 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sorta, but not really tbh. The US was always intrinsically backstopping the security side of things. Without us in it - and I mean this very seriously - it’s not really a credible threat to Russia or anyone else anymore.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

NATO article 5 will still have use in self defence, but obviously it will be way less impressive

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

4 years? Try 6 months from now.

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