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ROUND 21: 🇧🇷 Brazil


FORMULA 1 LENOVO GRANDE PRÊMIO DE SÃO PAULO 2024


Circuit stats


  • Circuit name: Autódromo José Carlos Pace
  • First Grand Prix: 1973
  • Number of laps: 71
  • Circuit Length: 4.309 km
  • Race Distance: 305.879 km
  • Lap record: 1:10.540 Valtteri Bottas (2018)
  • 2023 winner: Max Verstappen

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Absolute masterclass from Max. Was just leagues above everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Reminded me a bit of Miami last year where Perez thought he could fight for the championship and then Verstappen just KO'd Perez and left him limping the rest of the season.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Also greatly helped by the free pitstop.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

There was a bit of luck involved but given the pace he had, he probably would have won anyway.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

He also had to remain accident free while overtaking quite a few cars, in a race where there were crashes left right and centre. Sure he got lucky but he also made his own luck by driving an incident free race.

Say what you want about the guy, his attitude, or on track antics oft times, you cannot take today’s drive away from him. I’m not a fan of any of the former, but I concede, begrudgingly, today’s drive proved him to be one of the greats. The belligerent fastest laps at the end of it all were such a statement too. I can’t; I just can’t 😅

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

True, but he made the most of the opportunity...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah flawless - well deserved

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Just mighty.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't get the Safety Car for "teams are on the wrong tires". Some had already switched to full wets. Surely this should be up to the teams to screw up instead of relying on the organizers to save them staying out on inters.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Even if everyone was on full wets, they bring it out for visibility and hydroplaning. I think that's part of the reason no one switched to full wets. They knew if conditions got bad enough to need them, the SC would come out and there might be a red flag too.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

From memory, Tsunoda, Lawson, Hulk, Perez, Zhou, and I think there was 1 more. Their strategy was paying off with lap times 3s faster and that was just getting started. Sad to seen a great strategic choice like this turn to shit because teams know the race director will be overly cautious and protect teams from having to make risky strategy calls.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

At least four cars had switched to full wets at the time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

How do you even fix that? At this point driving on the wrong tyre is an optimal strategy. Either:

  • Driver stays on inters and calls for red flag cause it's undrivable
  • Driver on inters crashes because they should be on wets, causing a red flag
  • someone (like RB today) pits for wets and gets punished because someone else crashed out and caused a red flag

Also I'm not fooled by drivers moaning about how wets suck and have no grip; as long as inters are even 0.1 a lap faster than wets, everyone will want to run inters. I don't think there's place for two wet weather compounds since everyone will pick the 'faster' one regardles of weather.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Still cannot figure out why Stroll thought it was a good idea to drive through the gravel getting beached after he crashed, he could have made a 180 and stay on the tarmac.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago

Mate it's lance stroll

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

F1 cars have reverse, which would've gotten him on safe ground. I think he tried a 180 but there wasn't enough tarmac to work with with the barriers being so close, so he beaches himself.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Lando bitching about his luck so much when he had half the race to make progress. Instead he just went backwards.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

He lost the lead again and went off a few times and the team topped it off with bad strategy calls (+Lando wanted to come in even earlier) has nothing to do with luck i think.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

+Lando wanted to come in even earlier

Exactly. He was asking to be pit even before the VSC and is now bitching that the team pit him

[–] falkerie71 1 points 3 weeks ago

I don't get how you interpret the interview as him bitching about the team call? In the interview, he did acknowledge that he made a few mistakes, but aside from that he thought they did the best they could, and the red flag was the bad luck.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah and in post race interview he said Red Bull’s strategy “was not talent just luck”. Come on dude why so salty.

[–] falkerie71 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

It is though? I am in no way disregarding Max's drive, he was brilliant today, but the interview question was specifically about the VSC and red flag, which is 100% luck. Red Bull and Alpine got a free tyre change while every other team lost time and positions for the pit stop.

Plenty of stuff the FIA should fix after this race. They should change the rules to not allow modifications to the car during a red flag in the future for a start.

Edit: You can hear what the interviewer asked here. I don't think he's commenting on Max's drive, just pit strategy. He also did acknowledge the mistakes he made during the race, so there's that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The VSC was luck. Pitting neither under the VSC nor under the safety car was a strategic call. Red bull and Alpine both made an educated guess based on the amount rain that there is a high possibility for a red flag. It was lucky but there was plenty of strategy involved. Also all three of them drove brilliantly to put themselves in a position to capitalise. Remember Colapinto binned it on fresh inters while max, ocon and gasly kept it on the track on ~~won't~~ worn inters. Saying it was 100% luck is doing a disservice to all 3 of them and their teams

[–] falkerie71 1 points 3 weeks ago

I see your point. I'm absolutely not saying that the drivers and the team did not do a good job, I'm merely saying that the coin flip was lucky. I can see why the teams thought a red flag would be possible if you put it this way. It still is a guess though, and no red flag could still be possible if it weren't for Colapintos crash, under a safety car no less.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Luck yes. Making most of a lucky break - talent

[–] falkerie71 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah? The afterwards wasn't the point though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

I mean his team royally fucked him lol I'd be salty too

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

I enjoyed this race but once again we have bizarre race direction and stewarding.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

It's difficult to root for Norris to catch up to Verstappen when he's clearly not up to the task in all conditions.

conspiracy hat on: Red Bull is surely right that other teams are cheating with water in the tires. Look what happens when it's wet so they have no use for it.

... just kidding. Maybe.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

So what is going to happen about the mass start infringement¿?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Everyone gets disqualified, except for Sainz as he was still in the pits.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

If this happens I will be fucking laughing

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Reprimand + €5000 fine for Russell and Norris

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Interlagos is love. Interlagos is life

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

ABSOLUTE CINEMA

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

Oscar is so mature. Admitted that he messed up with Lawson and did not blame luck or anything. He will be a future champion if he keeps improving

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If heaven exists, senna must be smiling - he saw one of the GOATs drive his car in tribute and then saw his spiritual successor drive the race of his lifetime at his hometown track

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

Just we expected of the powerhouse....checks notes....Alpine with the double podium finish. Yes....lol

[–] alphacyberranger 4 points 3 weeks ago

What a race !!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

VERSTAPPEN'S 2024 CHAMPIONSHIP

If he finishes ahead of Norris in Las Vegas, he will win the championship
Norris needs to outscore Verstappen by 3 points to avoid it.

Source

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

It is surely done after this week!

[–] hal_5700X 3 points 3 weeks ago

Go to Brasil and Brasil things happened.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Nice to see Verstappen and Red Bull actually celebrating again instead of it just being a rote victory

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

So, another consequtive four time championship winner.

What a race!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Its getting all a bit ridiculous this F1 circus.

The complaining, the whining, the bitching on the radio, the red flags and lack of sportsmanship.

Are local kart tracks and speedway all like this now or its all drama there too?

WEC doesn't have this circus feeling to me.