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[–] [email protected] 46 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

In Hitler's defense, he did kill Hitler.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, but he also killed the guy who killed Hitler.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

honestly can't fault him for it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago

Yes because there's a lot of Nazis and Nazi sympathizers in America currently.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Calling Trump a fascist just makes his supports love him even more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Americans only hate Hitler because he's a loser. If he'd won in Europe, we'd lionize him the same way we celebrate reactionaries like Churchill, Reagan, and Shinzo Abe or despots like MBS, Duterte, and Modi.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

It also reinforces who he is to less hard core supporters which may have a positive effect over time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

The brown shirts loved Adolph.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I understand the concept of appealing to a better nature but, ma'am this is America. We still revere Henry Ford, we imported Nazi scientists because of some self imposed space race. Outside of WW2, (where we didn't even voluntary join we needed to be attacked first) our history shows were far far more likely to ignore or tacitly support fascism. Be careful asking questions you don't want the answer to Harris.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

We still revere Henry Ford

I wonder how many Americans know about Ford's quest to reignite antisemitism in Europe by foisting "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" books at every one of his overseas car dealerships.

I wonder if we'll shove all Elon Musk's reactionary bullshit down the rabbit hole when his legacy think tank full of right wing psychos is sponsoring the next generation of History Channel and TLC episodes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Reagan: "If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism"

The politically literate: "But, Ronny, you're a (neo)liberal!"

[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Sadly, yes.

I'm really hoping "It's a close race..." is code for "Harris is favored to win, but we rigged the polls to show them neck and neck so that there's still a news cycle."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

“It’s a close race…” is code for

Nothing so auspicious. It's more "we never actually have a clue, because our job is to sell ads not tell you useful information".

News media had Obama in a tight race when it was a blowout. They had Hilary in a blowout when it was a nail biter. They called Florida for Al Gore early on election night. They aren't honest or useful or knowledgeable in any way that makes them a valuable source of information.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'm worried cause I see the Democrats doing the "smart" thing of finding the exact counties they need to win. And aggressively pushing and trying to play to them alone.

And that doesn't seem like a smart strategy. In fact it feels like Hillary or Disney's failings where playing it safe and doing "smart" math doesn't work to do something productive and barely scrapes them by.
I don't see this being a landslide. And I'm worried their math will mean nothing in the real world.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I love how "playing it too safe" means "That wasn't safe at all"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Playing aggressive versus conservative is how you shepherd limited resources.

Do you stretch for extra seats in the House/Senate by spreading your money/people thin? Or do you concentrate your effort in highly contested battlegrounds to boost your odds locally, while sacrificing possibly winnable races elsewhere?

There's arguments for all sorts of strategies, but a lot of it comes down to where the gettable extra votes are. Some races come down to strategy. Otherwise simply aren't changeable at that stage of the fight.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

It's kinda like how prevent defense in football sometimes (or perhaps even often) prevents teams from winning.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Hopefully it's that and not "we rigged the polls to give some credibility to whatever bs Trump is planning".

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 hours ago (7 children)

Sadly, politics are so f***ed up that I have to agree with something Trump has said: He can shoot someone in Times Square and not lose a single vote.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 hours ago

That's what happens with cults.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago

As Cady Heron once famously said, "The limit does not exist." Nothing, absolutely nothing, will cause him to lose support. The people who support him love him more than anything, and they will do whatever it takes to support him. They will break their own moral code, they will bend over backwards to make his rhetoric fit their morals, they will turn their back on everything they've ever known or loved if that's what it takes to continue to support him. Because he is the most important thing in their lives.

Idk how old you are but there used to be discussions about how we can beat terrorists, a group of people who willingly kill themselves to inflict damage. How do you beat an enemy in war who views their own death as a victory?

That's what we're up against with trump. There is no inroad, there is no common ground, there is no logic. It's a cult, plain and simple. How do you stop someone who wants to die for their cause? Maybe trump supporters don't want to literally die for him, but they damn sure would give up everything else for him.

[–] ryathal 6 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

What if he shot a supporter though?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The supporter’s family would line up to suck his asshole in appreciation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, but the dead guy is still minus one vote.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That supporter was secretly working for the Deep State.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

Cheney did. That friend then went on national television to apologize for being in the way of his shot.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 hours ago

He wasn’t even a good artist.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

Does she really wants the answer to that or is that a joke question?

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