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This is LinkedIn isn’t it? This exactly the trash you’d expect from tech bros choosing this as their social media platform of choice. Reminder: Microsoft owns LinkedIn & you can delete your account today (since 90% of your messages & recruitement is spam/trash).
One doesn't just delete LinkedIn. In fact, one can't totally. Once it's got its claws into you, your hooked with steel barbs. It's easier to escape ebola.
I get that it's annoying to have a lot of (obviously) under qualified applications, and someone has to go through them. I just don't think it's possible to solve this problem without being unfair to at least some applicants.
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I was part of a hiring committee for a professor job at an European university last year. The job description was clear enough that you got the vibe "this is a high profile job. Only apply if you think you really are high profile for a European university."
And we got soooo many trash applications, we rejected more than 90% in the first screening. Some obvious ones, and some less obvious ones. The obvious ones were the most annoying, because wtf is that application. One that will always stay in my mind is the application of an already established professor, which consisted only of a CV that looked like a 3 year old glued it together and someone replicated that in Power Point in 2003. I was so confused about this application, because how tf did this person think this was enough? They're an established professor! They really should know how applications work.
So yeah, I get that there are a lot of annoying applications coming in that feel like a waste of time for everyone. Asking money to apply will not help tho.
Maybe hire someone to help with the applications..? No wait, then you'd have to go through even more applications. /s
I’ve been to interviews that were literally scams. Nah man you have to provide the good faith effort on your end too.
lol so have I. Went to an interview for a warehouse job when I was 18 and it turned out to be an attempt to get me to sell vacuums that was also an amway style pyramid scheme. Fuck those people for wasting my time.
I've heard of restaurants that have applicants do a 'trial' shift for no pay, and then never call back. They manage to line up a new person every night this way.
Trial shifts are a thing, but at least in the US they have to be paid to be legal. And wage theft, if reported, actually results in penalties for the fraudulent employer.
If I found out somewhere was doing that I would report them to whoever I could
Thought exercise lmao
Time is money. Even if I don't get the job, I feel I should still get paid a minimum of an hourly wage for the waste of my time.
I need money. Too bad I don't have any money.
Exchange ideas by listening to mine, avoid criticism by labeling it vitriol.
I would gladly pay for him to briefly notice and reject me.
I paid an application fee to apply for the local electrical union JATC
Although this is obviously a dumb solution, I do get what he's saying. Part of why the job market is so bad right now, is that there is a lot of people (often with the help of automation) sending out applications in bulk to companies they fail to meet even bare minimum requirements for. For example, its anecdotal, but a local company has given up on public postings because last time they tried, they received thousands of applications in a single day (most of which with no qualifications) and the ones they tried to reach out to weren't even in the country. There are a lot of ways to help filter this, but it just highlights what a mess things are right now.
Part of why the job market is so bad right now, is that there is a lot of people (often with the help of automation) sending out applications in bulk to companies they fail to meet even bare minimum requirements for.
But this is a direct result of employers actions with incomplete or deceptive job postings, bad faith interviews, and ghosting prospective candidates.
Employers aren't a collective either though, and while abusive employers drive workers to this, more desirable positions (often with better companies) are the ones who bear the brunt of this. The new doctors office looking to hire staff at a fair rate shouldn't be punished because every McDonald's on the planet abuses their workforce, nor should the workers who are actually able to work and now have a harder time finding work.
The new doctors office looking to hire staff at a fair rate shouldn’t be punished because every McDonald’s on the planet abuses their workforce
I'm not sure why you're bringing "fairness" into this. We're not talking about one group that has wronged another. These are human behaviors and reaction to prior behaviors. There's no system in place to enforce "fairness" in the way you're talking about.
If you're advocating for such a system to be created, then there's some possibilities there such as employers certifying (under penalty of law) to treat employee candidates with certain rights, and likewise employee candidates could be certifed to actually hold the credentials the employer is requiring for the position. All of those rules will have to be set up and agreed to, and will cost money which has to come from somewhere. As of today, none of this exists. There is no entity enforcing "fairness" in the posting of positions or the application to those positions.
That's the cost of the companies hiring and firing a fuckton of people at once. If they don't want that, they can give us stability. If they dont like the mass posting on their platforms, they can start having a more humane process.
Shoving it onto the consumer is just dumb. Plenty of very qualified people need to apply to hundreds of jobs to get one. Plenty of companies wasting time posting jobs they'll never fill. He didn't think this through one bit, and hiding the criticism behind "it's just a thought" doesn't make the criticism less valid.
It also tells us a lot about him for even thinking it was an idea. He's completely disconnected with the realities of job hunting and the market.
Saying the problem is just because people hire and fire too often is such a massive oversimplification. If that was the main factor, the market wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as it is, and it wouldn't take hundreds of applications just to get an interview. Theres a whole plethora of issues from governments of developed nations usually adding loopholes to labor laws for foreign workers to supress wages, to the complete lack of competition/antitrust enforcement, to the increased push from companies and moronic liberatarians to remove social safety nets forcing people into abusive jobs, to the number of buinesses that have discovered that they can just use postings to collect valuable data rather than to hire. This is what has caused the market to break down - bad employee retention doesn't help, but that alone would be a small scale problem that weighs down the company practicing it.
If they dont like the mass posting on their platforms, they can start having a more humane process.
That was the reason I was complaining - even companies trying to hire honestly and humanely can't function at this point. The whole system is starting to come apart because the few at the top are too greedy and incompetent to even attempt to fix things. We need actual, enforced worker protections, and we need those in power to stop trying to prop up megacompanies, or the system will just continue to cave in on itself.
Waaaaaahhhhh :'( We shat in the pool for years and now we can't go swimming because other people think it's okay to shit in our pool, too!
those poor victimized CEOs...
This hurts everyone, and hurts employees and small businesses most. A big company has far more resources to deal with spam applications.
yea, no.
if you're a small business and are getting an "overwhelming" number of underqualified apps, then you're probably trying to find a masters degree holder to take an associates degree position. regardless, sorting through apps/resumes is part of the process of running a business. the entire world isn't obliged to make your job easier. fuck that. i have no sympathy whatsoever
nO oNe wAnTs tO WorK aNyMoRe
Points out that companies are no longer advertising jobs.
Still finds a way to blame jobseekers.
Boot can't really taste that good, can it? Not to kink shame, but is it that you simply enjoy being stomped on?