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Elon Musk’s latest changes for X are driving more users away – not exactly a surprise, granted – and many of them are flocking to rival social media outlet Bluesky. So many made the switch, in fact, it led to Bluesky briefly going down due to the volume of incoming new users.

The central move initiated by X that made the headlines for driving migration away from Musk’s platform is a change to the way the ‘Block’ button works. This was actually announced back in September, but is officially being implemented now (well, it’ll be in place ‘soon’ we’re told).

It means that going forward, X users who you have blocked will still be able to view your (public) posts – though they won’t be able to engage with them in any way (from replies to liking and so forth).

This is problematic for obvious reasons, in terms of enabling stalkers and trolls who will still be able to view the posts of an account that has blocked them, when previously this wasn’t the case. In the past, blocking meant that the blocked user couldn’t see any posts (or anything at all, save for a message telling them that they’ve been blocked), but soon, this will change.

Bluesky posted to say it had in excess of 100,000 new users inside 12 hours following the announcement by X, after the rival network highlighted the fact that its block function stops those who are blocked from viewing any posts.

In an update, Bluesky noted that it has now gained half a million new users in the past day.

There’s another reason that some folks are rapidly exiting from X stage left (and right, and indeed center, clambering over the audience, it would seem), and that’s a change to X’s privacy policy.

As TechCrunch reports, the new policy includes an update that allows third-party collaborators to use content on X to train their AI models – unless the user opts out. This is a notable extension of the reach of AI training on X, which has so far only been used to train Musk’s own Grok AI (unless users opt out, again).

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[–] [email protected] 160 points 1 day ago (5 children)

What a garbage dataset to train off. The majority of everything there is all bots and AI anyway lol

[–] ohellidk 76 points 1 day ago (6 children)

bots training bots. maybe this will (hopefully) corrupt the AI's data. its kind of like copying off a copy again and again.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 day ago

This is in fact precisely what happens. LLM output becomes increasingly incoherent with each subsequent generation trained off of previously AI generated data.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't forget to yell into the data PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS!!!!

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

It's also about the art posted on it. I use bsky for that purpose and all the "migrants" didn't want their work to be fed to an AI.

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[–] [email protected] 138 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Come on over to Mastodon, the water's nice

[–] ruckblack 82 points 1 day ago (20 children)

I've stopped recommending it. The discovery and trending post mechanisms are either garbage or non-existent, and it's really hard to get a feed that's remotely entertaining. Devs also seem ideologically opposed to adding any features like that. It'll just give normal people who aren't willing to deal with all this crap a bad taste in their mouth when it comes to the fediverse. I do recommend lemmy to people tho.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I feel like its the opposite.

Mastodon's hashtag following is by far the best discovery method out there.

I've stopped using Bluesky because I can't find any content and there's just too much "screaming into the void" making it impossible to find anything of substance.
I've stopped using Threads because it's just engagement bait.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Yeah Threads has nothing of substance, just engagement bait as you said. X is similar now that users can make ad revenue

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

While I agree that it makes Mastodon less entertaining I also think that it makes it a lot more fair, representative and trustworthy as a lens through which to observe & participate in social discourse and share information and opinions. That in itself will probably mean that it remains less popular but I think it's also what makes it more valuable IMO. We need to calm down from the urgency of the digital dopamine cycle, for many reasons. If social media is a truly human media then it should be boring at times because that is a human reality that we are adapted to.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

I agree. I love Mastodon's calm columnar UI with lists and hashtags where I feel I'm in control of my experience, and that I can just stop whenever and come back in three days.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago

Do they drift back though. Bigger accounts seems to struggle to kick the Twitter high .

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

While anything that gets people off Twitter is good, I'm sorely unimpressed by those artists who "had to" to patronize the racist transphobic neo-Nazi hellhole "because my audience is there"... until Musk's policies happened to offend their own personal interests, by requiring training for their AI. Countless models trained on all public images already exist, jumping ship won't prevent their work from being scraped elsewhere, and frankly, any one image or even portfolio will contribute virtually nothing to the result, so quitting in protest is largely symbolic. But so many peoples drew the line at that, and not at Musk making "cis" a slur, or protecting child pornographers, or boosting white supremacist supremacy theories. It's really disappointing to see.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah this is pretty much how I feel.

I loathe musk, and despise twitter, and I'm happy about anything they will be unhappy about.

That said, I don't have a lot of respect for anyone who is still there. Journalists, politicians, anyone who has to be there for their job... I still just don't have a lot of respect for them.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

even tho twitter is ruined by him people will still use it

[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago

Network effect is a hell of a drug

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (3 children)

So let's say on Twitter, someone blocks me and I can't read their post. Can't I just log out and read their post that way? I don't have a Twitter account, so I've never seen a blocked link before.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

Someone could just open another account with a new mail address. Blocking doesn't help much against stalkers as long as your posts are public.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

ive been enjoying bluesky more than twitter. i just wish more bug accounts would migrate. i post on both platforms with a script that i wrote and my engagement/followers ratio is far higher

[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I tried Bluesky but just couldn't get into it. Same with Mastodon. I like Lemmy because long-form posts/comments are more interesting to me. I'm liking Threads a bit, too.

[–] tja 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

What would you say makes threads better than the other mikroblogging services?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

I think one of the main reasons is that a lot of tech people on Twitter ended up on there. Mastodon originally filled that spot for me, but I found that a bunch of people that moved from Twitter to Mastodon ended up abandoning their accounts (or very rarely posting) a few months later.

It's also probably the largest Fediverse instance, as users can opt in to sharing their posts to the Fediverse.

I still don't use it often, though. I don't spend a lot of time on any social networks (or similar services) any more.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Bug accounts, or big? Bug as in programming?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I hate Twitter, but I'm getting to the point where I want it to get better because if bluesky gets many more members we're just gonna have Twitter again.

One thing I liked about the Muskification of Twitter was the scattering.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Idiots users just recreating conditions that created their misery in the first place. Freedom doesn't happen from the grace of some cult leader and their slightly less immediately hostile app

[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

What sets it apart is that on Bluesky you can create your own algorithm. You can also share this algorithm, if you want, so others can subscribe to it. This means you see only what you want to see, and not what some corporate algorithm wants to see to maximise some kind of engagement.

Moreover, Bluesky is also its own federation. There aren't many who choose to do so, but you can connect to Bluesky using your own domain, which you have complet control over.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

Ok, thanks ! Looks like I was wrong then, I see it is open source under MIT license Frankly I assumed it was another tech bro blitzscale project since it was from Rasputin himself There even is a 3rd party client so possibly it won't be a open source but problematic, like Signal

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And that’s on top of all the Brazil users who fled to BlueSky when he refused to comply with a court order (and pay a fine) so they blocked Twitter for a few days. I’m not sure how many went back after he paid the fine but BlueSky was fairly popular in Brazil even during the closed beta so I’m sure a ton stuck around.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

Lol, that's probably 30% of real people still using it

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

has so far only been used to train Musk’s own Grok AI

The Grok models are a laughing stock in the LLM space. They aren't good over APIs, and they're even less useful after Elon "open sources" them far later. Qwen 72B, and heck, Qwen 32B is already better than Grok 2, which is probably hundreds of billions of parameters. Qwen is runnable locally right now, Apache 2.0, and released day one. Grok 1 is... well, I dunno, no one has even bothered to try hosting it for anything.

I dunno what Twitter is doing with all those H100s Elon hoarded, but it seems like a big waste so far. Its certainly nothing to help the open source/self hosting space or to "decensor" and "democratize" LLMs like Elon fans seem to think.

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