I think at this point the Trump ticket is the JD Vance for President ticket. If they win, even if he doesn’t drop from a bad stroke or cardiovascular disease, the team will 25th his ass.
It’s essentially the Vance / Johnson ticket going forward.
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I think at this point the Trump ticket is the JD Vance for President ticket. If they win, even if he doesn’t drop from a bad stroke or cardiovascular disease, the team will 25th his ass.
It’s essentially the Vance / Johnson ticket going forward.
the team will 25th his ass
That’s what they should do in that situation, but in reality, there’s no chance. The bar is too high.
From the 25th Amendment:
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Trump would have a cabinet full of true believers and yes-men. There’s no way that more than half would be on board to jettison him. The Congressional cure is also a non-starter. If Trump were to win, there would probably also be a Republican-controlled Congress, and we all know that Congressional Republicans have zero spine when it comes to standing up to daddy.
Idk. Vance doesn’t strike you as just waiting for that opp? Look at how he flip flops.
I completely, wholeheartedly believe that the GOP could fight kicking and screaming to get Trump elected and then immediately, unanimously 25 him before the inauguration is even complete. They have zero shame. This is not even slightly outside of their ballpark.
It's an obvious con, but that didn't stop them from doing the exact same thing with their supreme court justices. That was also an obvious con that would not have been allowed in any functioning government.
The orange loser should toss out some Gold Diapers.
I just saw a photo from last nights town hall. The man looks like he wont make it to november 5th.
Sincere question: Have any of the experts run numbers on what happens to the vance ticket if trump takes a worm nap before nov 5th?
Yes. You have to remember you aren't electing Trump directly. You're voting for his electors.
If Trump dies before taking office, the party decides who will take his place.
It's most likely going to be Vance, but honestly it could be anyone.
Assuming that there isn't any fuckery (it's Republicans after all), then Vance becomes President and then nominates a VP that goes through the Senate approval process.
I can't remember the last time this was discussed but it was a while ago.
I agree, but that wasnt my question. Well, i guess it was accidentally vague. I can see how you misunderstood my prompt.
My question is in regards to what direction the voting public trend if that happens. Martyr boost propelling vance up, or fizzle bust?
Hard to say. When he finally dies or is just off the Republican ticket one way or another, we'll find out how much of the Republican voting base is attached to Trump, not the GOP.
If only we could be so lucky.
Well thats why i ask. You can say lucky us, but at this point in the election, im not so sure.
Between the vitriol and retoric and conspiracy theories weve already seen, the implication of violence and absolute craziness would, without question be enough for me to not hope for anything like that.
But im asking about how the voting public would poll. Would vance get a martyr boost from their dear dead leader, or would an immediately apathetic undecided vote rise up, one that was origionally locked into the trump/vamce ticket. Would it just vanish overnight? I doubt it, but vance remains an amazingly unpopular vp pick. Without trump, where is his ceiling?
Yeah, that’s a good point; my brain is never prepared for the irrational conspiracies these idiots cook up. I would think that without trump, the whole momentum behind him would just die off, but who knows what would happen if Vance then just starts saying that the democrats poisoned his Big Mac and assassinated him. I’d like to think that only the die-hard crazies would still be motivated enough to vote for Vance and the rest would just stay home.
just played music for almost 40 minutes, scowling, smirking, and swaying onstage.
Context:
Trump called for Ava Maria to be played after a medical emergency put it on pause for about five minutes an hour into the event. He then took another question. Just a few minutes later, there was another medical emergency. Apparently it was a bit hot in the event space. It went off the rails soon after that as he called for the doors to be opened and wanting to play more music to end the event.
At one point he stops to ask if they want to do one more question. Although the crowd cheers and he says we'll do one more, he called for YMCA to be played.
Certainly an odd presidential town hall but definitely not the worst thing this guy has done and in no way did he "break down". Honestly, between the lies and threats to other humans, this might be the most human I've ever seen him. It's really sad to see how delusional these people are.
Here's the stream from PBS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-FhvhdVSZE
My favorite part was when they played James Brown's "This is a Man's World". Clearly, they haven't listened to the song LOL
Edit: Here's another story from ABC News - Trump's bizarre music session reignites questions about his mental acuity
His choice to play music is debatable. Having watched the video, it didn't seem odd to me that he made these choices. There was absolutely nothing in this town hall to indicate an issue with his mental acuity that has not already been known. He has always been an idiot. This is not news.
As much as I would love to believe that this is evidence of Trump in the throes of cognitive decline, I have to agree. Him standing there and doing nothing for 30 minutes is certainly low energy and cringe-worthy, but it isn't indicative of any kind of mental breakdown and the media and pundits are latching onto this too hard. The dishonestly on display is a little saddening, to be honest. There's plenty of things to hate Trump for without having to make up shit about his mental acuity.
Well, we've tried convicting him with felonies and playing actual tape of him describing rape, which he is guilty of, and no one seemed particularly swayed. So, facts and evidence seem to be out. If it takes a more abstract, personal approach to break the spell he holds half the voters in the country under, then so be it.
No. It's not we tried being honest about it so now we have to be dicks about it. It's that someone needs to care enough about all of this to reach these people where they are. Something is broken. You don't fix this by plugging it with bubble gum and hope it works.
Why are people not compelled to change their minds when there's overwhelming evidence that he is not a good person or someone who should lead this country? What in their minds is he doing for them?
I just had a family vacation where I found out most of my family intends to vote for him. How, I don't know, but they're not aware of how horrible he was as president or as a person. They're getting fake news from social media. All they care about is "the border" and gas prices. I told them it was Trump who, for personal reasons, killed the best bipartisan immigration bill this country has ever seen and that no president has ever had substantial control over gas prices. They had nothing to say in response. I don't know if they didn't know this already or if they just didn't want to hear it (probably both). All they know is that for the years that Trump was president, their wallets were fuller. Personally, I think everyone has forgotten how much government stimulus we all received and few of us are aware of the ramifications we're still experiencing from the pandemic. My take away was that a lot of people are not as invested in politics as you or I are. The information they come across is casual. They see a headline, assume it's fact, then scroll on to the next meme.
Moreover, there needs to be honest and sincere conversations. We've all assumed the role of debater where we're unable to concede a point or allow someone to have an opinion different than our own. The facts need to be transparent. The media needs to stop tainting the evidence. Calmer discussions need to be had.
For example: We should all make note that there is an immigration issue at our southern border and that we want to minimize all illegal alien activity. We should be having open discussions about how to resolve that issue. Some people want to shut the border down but they may be unaware that that's not legal to do. Some people believe this is a Democrat operation to get more voters but they may not be aware that a lot of Latin American immigrants are super conservative. Instead of allowing The Right to own this conversation, The Left should be pummeling this issue towards the proper direction. We should be demanding more spending at the border to get more judges. We need to increase the ease of people to come into the country, not lock them out, so they're more likely to do it the right way than the illegal way. And although the Biden administration was nearly successful in this, it wasn't reported enough to break through to The Right. This is what should have been plastered all over the media, not the already known fact of Trump's mental issues.
There was absolutely nothing in this town hall to indicate an issue with his mental acuity that has not already been known. He has always been an idiot. This is not news.
Clooney put a hit out on Biden for much less.
But the point is to report on this in the hopes that the American people will pay attention. I can only speculate why you want to keep a lid on it...
God SNL is going to feast this weekend
Care to elucidate on who "these people" are?