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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (9 children)

America selectively caring about privacy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

They care about companies they have less control over and a foreign adversary has more control over invading privacy, for reasons unrelated to seeing privacy as a good in itself.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It's time to start taxing the acquisition, retention, and selling/trading of personal data.

Actually, that time was 40 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

GDPR is a start, but we need to actually ban it, not just annoy people until they click Accept at the 20th popup of that tantalising offer to share your details with 1473 trusted data partners.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

Google and Microsoft would be scrambling to pay off every single person associated with that before it ever hit the first courtroom floor.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

ohhh data collection taxation, I like it. You would think it would be a no-brainer but look at marijuana taxation and the continued resistance to rake in all that public funding. Would make most of the controversy around AI disappear if they tax it's collection.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Is tiktok saying that all Chinese apps that steal our data are also stealing our data because they were designed to steal our data?!

I am SHOCKED.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You don't even need the word Chinese

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Good point, we'll ban all of them"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

"Thanks for bringing it to our attention. You are now banned as well"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What about Lenovo, Aliexpress, Xiaomi, Didi (It's famous in latam), BYD, NIO?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit....

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Good call. Let's ban them both.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Fine then, ban all the Chinese spy apps

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

I'd rather they just ban spy apps in general...but that's a "dream a little dream, it's never gonna happen" type of thing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And all the CIA ones.

And then block all cookies and tracking.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like Temu?

You mean like facebook and twitter.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No, they love those, since that data goes to the US government instead of to the CCP

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

that data goes to the US government instead of to the CCP

Going to blow people's minds when they find out Temu data also goes to the US government and Facebook data also goes to the CCP.

This shit is just a commodity. It's auctioned off at the bid rate. The NSA doesn't just lay claim to this data, it buys it. And these Big Data companies are only handing it over because of the absurd margins NSA (and MI5 and the rest of the Five Eyes) directors are willing to pay.

Your data isn't any safer because the parent company is owned by a foreign plutocrat. This is a big club and you ain't in it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Oh no, I'm not under any illusion that my data is safer with any of them lol. I'm just saying that that's why the US doesn't ban American social networks/companies. Because it's all about control.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Cambridge analytics

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're right, we should regulate or ban then too.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Technically, the second partof that bill bans sending user data to China for all companies, so it's foreseeabke that they get fined into the dirt if nothing else.

I hope the Facebook multi-billion dollar fines act as precedent.

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[–] [email protected] 185 points 1 day ago

Oh no, now we have to ban them all?? What a shame!

/s

[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm surprised so many people think this is a good argument. TikTok is a social media platform. Temu is an online marketplace. The potential to cause disruption within US society is completely different.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Legally it is a very good argument. A law targeting a single company in name or effect is literally unconstitutional. It's called a "Bill of Attainder".

The counter argument is indicting Facebook because they never stopped selling information directly to the CCP.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Cool, let's ban Temu then. Nothing of value will be lost.

In all honesty though, I disagree with banning software, and that includes TikTok. I think it's a terrible platform and I refuse to use it, but I think we need to solve the underlying problem another way, otherwise we're just picking and choosing what speech is allowed in this country. The Constitution doesn't only protect American citizens, it protects everyone.

That said, if we're going to ban one, let's ban them all. These apps haven't provided any tangible value IMO and they've arguably caused a fair amount of harm, so I'm not going to die on a hill defending them.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

A US Citizen might be protected by Article 1 Section 9, but courts have adopted a three-part test to determine if a law functions as a bill of attainder:

  1. The law inflicts punishment.
  2. The law targets specific named or identifiable individuals or groups.
  3. Those individuals or groups would otherwise have judicial protections.

And unfortunately for the CCP they fail #3 unless the Chinese owners divest and all Chinese centralization for the company gets shut down.

Also, the tiktok ban was passed alongside a bill outlawing sale of data to China, Iran, Russia, etc. So if FB is still selling to China it is also illegal.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Not environmentally...

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

Please ban them, I beg of you, please...

[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But you can't charge me with murder! That guy committed it too!

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The argument here is more along the lines of, "you can't make a law that defines something as murder only when I do it."

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 day ago (3 children)

selective enforcement of the law is a real issue. One of the reasons Donald Trump will likely never go to jail is the failure to prosecute nixon, reagan (iran contra, iran hostage crisis meddling), and Bush/Cheney(wmd fiasco)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

And one of the reasons POC are more likely go to jail (or even gets shot) for something a white man would be let free with only a warning… At least in the “free” land.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You can't spy on our citizens, that's our (and our corporations') job!

Signed, the US Government

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

This thread has made me realize that while I was watching the hearings on it purely for comedy aspect, there were actually people out there being like, "Yeah that makes sense."

Love it when the government takes away our stuff. Please, take away more of our stuff. Love me that security theater.

If you don't like the app, just don't use it. Nationalism is a hell of a drug.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with data security and everything to do with other social media companies lobbying to eliminate a competitor, using anti-China sentiment and fear-mongering as a justification. It's all about the money.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (4 children)

TikTok is correct. Ban them all.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

So ban them too

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I generally think that TikTok sucks but do agree with this argument. It’s silly to say that domestic companies can be evil but foreign ones no.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

If social media companies exist to collect massive troves of personal info from users--and they do--then there is a valid national security concern over social media controlled by an adversary. This is distinct from the individual privacy concerns towards domestically-controlled social media.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's not a silly argument if your argument is about national security. For the exact same reason, China blocks almost all western apps. It gives a potential route for whatever nation is considered hostile to influence your population, and TikTok has actually activated this influence at least once directly. They tried to activate their users to protest congress from passing laws restricting them.

Basically, they have the ability to influence users, and they also have the will to do so as they've already shown. In what world eould they not be a national security threat? It's also really hard for me to accept this argument from a Chinese company when China has the great firewall to "protect" it'd citizens from outside influence.

You can argue that it is not to benefit the citizens and rather just the state, which is fair. You can't reasonably argue that the state has nothing to fear.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

Temu isn't a social media network that has been known to boost specific narratives with their algorithm. The U.S. isn't saying that China can't sell and market to the American audience, just that they'll need a supervisor if they want to mess with media.

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