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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Indoor smoking bans in public places made sense, but this is just dumb as fuck.

Second-hand cigarette smoke is a health hazard when frequently ingested and it was probably refreshing to not have everything smell like tobacco. But this harmed the hospitality sector and made smokers far less inclined to go out drinking. A lot of pubs shut after the 2007 smoking ban introduced by the UK and the hospitality sector hasn't really recovered since. A good 'best of both worlds' approach would have been to allow larger establishments to have a ventilated indoor smoking area and make it a soft-ban, but unfortunately big tobacco is the enemy.

And now Keir Starmer (British PM) wants to push through a similar outdoor smoking ban to what the EU are proposing, where it would become illegal to light up outside a hospital or in a pub beer garden.

This moronic plan would basically kill what is left of the hospitality industry, and if Keir Starmer's grand master plan to solve our country's housing crisis is to make more pubs shut so greedy parasitic landlords and property developers can snap them up and turn them for a profit, then he's gonna be remembered as the UK's worst prime minister. And believe me when I say that the Tory bastards who killed thousands with austerity measures, dragged us kicking & screaming out of the European Union, partied in 10 Downing Street while we were forced to lock down from COVID, and who crashed our economy with tax cuts have put up some stiff competition.

Fun fact, you used to be able to smoke on airplanes, and the air quality on flights actually decreased after smoking bans were put in place, because the regulations around air conditioning were also cut.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

How about focusing on getting rid of diesel fumes first? That shit smells awful and is way worse for you than 2nd hand smoke or vapes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (27 children)

Cigarettes, sure, but including ecigs sounds unreasonable? I quit smoking couple of years ago and regular cigarette smell makes me gag but Iqos and liquid vapes are not that offensive outdoors.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I still find it annoying personally.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is not about annoyance it is about ease of consumption and indirect smoking which kills.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

But for ecigs that doesn't apply as much right? But yea I agree generally.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

I find lots of things annoying outdoors but I guess it's not so common here to become an issue. Ecigs users are usually conscious enough to keep distance from other people. I hear it's getting pretty bad with disposable vapes but haven't seen much of that myself, likely a perk of not living in a big city.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (39 children)

So, where exactly are smokers supposed to smoke then when pretty much everywhere indoor smoking is already banned??

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The article says the focus is on kid-friendly outdoor areas like parks and near schools, which makes total sense as a place to start. Doesn't seem like it's everywhere outside being banned. And generally encouraging people to not take up smoking in the first place is wonderful. For people who smoke, quitting is the biggest thing they can do to improve their health.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

This is a good compromise. I understand cafés wanting to be able to have their guests smoke at the tables on the street, and frankly if someone is walking the street at night by himself i couldn't care less whether he smokes as long as the remains are put in the trash.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

The article uses the phrase “key outdoor areas” so I would assume this means you can’t smoke in a crowded plaza but you can still do so on your own balcony or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (15 children)

Nowhere; it's bad for you and others

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Lots of bad things are legal.

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[–] n3m37h 4 points 2 days ago

Don't, shit is nasty

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