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[–] [email protected] 89 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. Rebecca Ford (Creative Director of Warframe at Digital Extremes) recently did a follow up interview with NoClip where she outright said she was done with video games once Warframe was over. It has basically been her entire adult life to work at DE but she is under no illusions over how messed up the industry is and is basically just sticking on because she loves what she makes and who she makes it with.

And from talking to a few friends who went the game dev route after college? That is more or less where they are at. Layoffs are inevitable and you can look forward to endless abuse if you get noticed before that. So the ones who still love the games they are making put up with it. The rest either already left or are actively putting out feelers for other jobs. Because it isn't like any of them are getting paid what they are worth.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago

I mean, yeah. It's an industry that has a near-unlimited supply of starry-eyed fresh college grads to throw into the meat grinder, and the executives of these companies absolutely love to take advantage of that. Maybe if enough devs leave the industry they might finally have to start respecting the people who work for them out of necessity.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

24 years ago, I decided that instead of going into video game development like I had always dreamt of in school, I'll go into business software because at the time there was only one nearby game studio (Blue Byte), they weren't looking to hire in the next few years and I wasn't really willing to move very far at the time.

Looking back, that decision was one of the best branching-path decisions I've ever made in my life.

Thanks, Blue Byte! Indirectly you got me an amazing job! 🥂

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Mainzer wissen Bescheid.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah I remember when people would tell me that working in the video game industry is a dream, then those same people would complain to me about working long hours for no extra pay (crunch) to finish a game before the deadline.

Yeah that totally sounds like a dream job, it's so great you have to sleep in the office and you don't get paid for that extra work /s

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nightmares are still dreams

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

True, I guess one could say that in a way they were correct in that it is technically still a dream to work at a company like EA, just a very bad, very hellish dream. Possibly made much worse by the self-gaslighting (and regular gaslighting) making them think it's actually a good dream, makes it even worse because you don't try to escape it because you convince yourself and are convinced by others you have it good when in reality, you don't.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This has a side effect of the people who went through the full game development cycle and can help to improve the process of developing of future games with actions based on their experience do not stay in the industry and thus the industry is bound to repeat the same mistakes again and again. I mean, I started working in the gaming 22 years ago, worked there for 7 years, then took 12 years of break elsewhere and now I am back for 3 years. After I returned I was surprised how almost nothing changed. It is still the demo-to-demo sprinting without proper planning or building the technical layers in advance. So the publishers/management is getting more or less faked demos and are always surprised that at some point they get a very badly made piece of software full of bugs and architectural flaws.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Me:

Shows a demo function just to show how it could be done.

Manager: (looking in his manager book)

-"So it's already implemented!"

Me: no it needs to be programmed first

Manager: but it already is, i can see it on screen!

Me: it has to be implemented correctly.

Manager (looking in book again)

-"How much time if you implement quickly as quick as possible?"

Me: it will take X time.

Manager: Starts to call tech-lead and chief boot-licker to "convince" me it doesn't need that much time.

After 3 hours of painful meeting I say okay okay okay and pushes 'best I could do' to production in the same evening. Reinforcing the idea that I'm a lying bad programmer and that Manager, tech-lead and chief boot-licker are correct.

Source: 10 years of gamedev

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

This is familiar to all devs, not just game devs

[–] [email protected]:443 22 points 2 months ago

20 year industry vet here. When I started, it was in a company that was hiring nothing but people that have never worked in games before (and they did not tell us this, like some bad reality show). Of the ~200+ people I worked with there when I started, I would very generously estimate maybe only 10-15 of us still in the industry. To be fair, conditions in the industry have gotten a lot better since most of those people left it. The days of doing 80+ hours a week are long gone for most of us as far as I can tell.

It's really all about loving who you are working with. Even if you hate the project or the hours, just enjoying being around the right people makes a huge difference. Writing that is making me realize just how many of my favorite people and closest friends are now elsewhere and damn, I miss them.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Guy I know worked for a pretty big video game studio or two. (You've definitely heard of some games he worked on). Then he realized it sucked. Took a job in FinTech, made like double the money for half the work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

When I was leaving college a quarter of a century ago I briefly considered going into game dev...even back then everyone said it was low paid and gruelling work, so I passed.

It's shocking that people still go into it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's wildly underpaid and the developers are highly highly skilled devs. They work in game dev because they want to, but the money isn't there. Most game developers are working at tiny studios hoping for a break.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The shame of it is this kinda the way she goes for passion jobs like game dev. Similarly, EMS is a chronically underpaid career. Not for lack of difficulty or skills required, but because people want to do it. That desire to help others only translates into an ability to underpay people for the privilege. There’s a nobility to wanting to dedicate your life to helping people despite the lack of pay. A nobility that is happily exploited by private equity.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Quit your job, start gardening.