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Today I just learned that systemctl --force --force reboot is a command. We had a computer we remotely connected to which got permission errors and bus errors when we tried to reboot it normally. For some reason the mentioned command did actually manage to shutdown the computer bit did not manage to reboot it correctly.

I wonder what the double --force flag actually accomplishes and what possibly could hinder a regular reboot in this scenario.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 2 months ago (2 children)

As per systemctl(1) manual:

If --force is specified twice, the operation is immediately executed without terminating any processes or unmounting any file systems. This may result in data loss. Note that when --force is specified twice the halt operation is executed by systemctl itself, and the system manager is not contacted. This means the command should succeed even when the system manager has crashed.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah, the --no-preserve-root flag equivalent for a reboot 😄

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Good old --no-preserve-root 😅

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Sounds like the equivalent of Alt+SysRq+B.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I'd never use it on a production server due to the implications of data loss associated with such a command.

You could say this is the same as sysreq trigger b where everything is ignored and just reboot with ignorance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

You can force the kernel to terminate all processes and amount all filesystems

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is very valid but in our case we dont really store any important data on the computer. We make digital timetable signs for bus stops and train stations, the computers we build and put inside are just a base image we flash onto the disk and set hostname and IP on. Then they all connect and set themselves up via our servers and pull any displayed data from our actual main servers.

In this case its sad that it didnt actually restart, that means our client has to drive out and deassemble the entire sign. But it seems to be a failing disk so it had to be replaced either way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

As long as it's not writing to disks, you're probably safe. This is a good method to avoid getting a remote device stuck too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Obligatory "systemd was a mistake, they played us for absolute fools, yadda yadda yadda"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

So hexbear now hates systemd. Good to know

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Instead of just linking to the information, which may be removed in the future, you could have also pasted a snippet of a relevant section. Like:

If --force is specified twice, the operation is immediately executed without terminating any processes or unmounting any file systems. This may result in data loss. Note that when --force is specified twice the halt operation is executed by systemctl itself, and the system manager is not contacted. This means the command should succeed even when the system manager has crashed.