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[–] coffee_with_cream 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

https://youtu.be/86gyW0vUmVs?si=OtVppplEdBSLabX2

If you're interested in this, Andrew Millison did an amazing video on these Chinampas. Super cool permaculture technique

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Thanks for sharing

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Huh. Neat. But why? Seems like a lot of effort just to have your soil eventually washed away anyway…

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I guess the "woven reed wall" could stop most of the soil.

Wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinampa

chinampas are artificial islands that were created by interweaving reeds with stakes beneath the lake's surface, creating underwater fences. A buildup of soil and aquatic vegetation would be piled into these "fences" until the top layer of soil was visible on the water's surface.

A ditch was created to allow for the flow of water and sediments (likely including night soil). Over time, the ditch would slowly accumulate piles of mud. This mud would then be dug up and placed on top of the chinampas, clearing the blockage.[6] The soil from the bottom of the lake was also rich in nutrients, thus acting as an efficient and effective way of fertilizing the chinampas

Now I don't understand how it floats. It sounds like they moved the sediments from the bottom of the lake, to between the reed walls. I would expect it should look like the right one on the picture.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I’m gunna make a guess here, no promises it’s accurate.

It looks like there’s a layer of reed mat under the floating dirt. If it’s thick enough, maybe a foot or two thick, it could hold the soil on top of it, and the woven fence bit is just across the top and bottom of the water portion leaving the middle part open to water flow, or maybe just digging it out is enough. The reed mat under the soil could well be attached to the poles to help keep it high enough to function properly, as it probably wouldn’t really float entirely on its own.

I imagine they would need to be rebuilt every few years though. So sort of a rotating thing maybe.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Watched the video posted by @coffee_[email protected] and it seems like they were not actually floating, just simply the lower layers have a lot of moisture, a fish can't swim swim there, no reed mat.

Most other illustrations I found doesn't have clear water below the soil:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e8/a7/a6/e8a7a68eaddfd2f7a8c49b900f68afd4.jpg https://www.24-horas.mx/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/chinampa.jpg https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-abccolor.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ZSEAOH2WYNHLTKOL4TMDJC5HFE.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/de/ae/b2/deaeb243ed259dbc4b21fd72da7bf12b.jpg https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Victor-Toledo-2/publication/31865682/figure/fig19/AS:445078545145875@1483126402733/FIGURA-36-ESTRUCTURA-DE-LA-CHINAMPA-ANTIGUA-EN-EL-VALLE-DE-MEXICO-AVES-Caza.png

Only found this one with similar layers:

https://circularwaterstories.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/07-scaled.jpg

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Looks like it works sort of like a peat bog. Trapped vegetation on the bottom layer decomposes and tries to float, but the mud/fencing keeps it down, and that's used as a substrate for farming on top. Iirc bog islands like that aren't exactly stable but some of them stick around long enough to grow small trees. Sounds like plenty of time for a few seasons of farming. Maybe it's more like creating an artifical marsh?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Rather than looking at the illustration in the OP as three separate structures, I think it may be depicting a single structure in three stages of development, going left to right.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Looking at it again, I think you're absolutely right. The tree growth is meant to show time passing. Neat!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Because they lived on a massive lake/the rest was arid shitty desert and needed to create space for agriculture iirc.