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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not particularly a fan of Russell, but that was an inspired drive, and deserved win....rules are rules though...

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

an inspired drive that was probably possible because of the underweight car. 1,5 kg is significant and might have enabled him do a 1-stop.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah, it's no wonder his tires were able to last so long

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

1.5kg, oof. That's more than the lap of picking up marbles would've given on other circuits. Just a mistake by the team. At least they pick up a win, but a blow to Russell and the team for sure.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Makes me wonder what the difference between a super used set of tires and a 30% used set of tires would be, though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

For sure, same! I think the whole assembly is 10-12 kg these days, only would need to lose ~400g additional per tire to be 1.5 under

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Pirelli have said up to 1kg per tire, from new to fully used.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Tough but fair

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Kinda explains how he managed the one stopper…1.5kg is pretty significant

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Does anybody know how much weight the tyres lose during a long stint like Russel did? And when compared to a 20-lap?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Definitely not 1.5 kgs worth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Why "definitely", please publish your info? Pirelli disagrees with you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

OK I found it myself : https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/were-russells-worn-tyres-the-cause-of-his-spa-f1-disqualification/10640096/

β€œWe expect that the loss of rubber from the one-stop was a contributing factor, and we'll work to understand how it happened.

β€œWe won't be making any excuses though. It is clearly not good enough and we need to make sure it doesn't happen again.”

The missing weight of 1.5kg may sound like a lot, but we are only talking about 375 grammes from each corner.

And as Pirelli head of F1 Mario Isola has explained, that is well within the boundaries of how much a worn tyre loses.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So this is on Mercedes for miscalculating the weight and a DSQ is only fair.

However, this whole tyre weight and marble pickup thing seems so silly:

You pick up a different amount of marbles depending on track length (or no in-lap like in Spa), rain can wash them away, if you do a long stint your tyres have less rubber left on them. Tyres are standardized, identical between all teams for the whole season and Pirelli knows exactly how much they weigh brand new. After the race FIA could just weigh the car without wheels. I'm assuming right now teams are leaving a slight weight margin, so they would be able to run even closer to the limit if they didn't have to worry about tyre weight.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The fact is several other drivers did a one stop without running into the weight issue and in the past, we have had drivers do almost the whole race distance on a set of tyres after switching to a hard after an early safety car(lap 2 or 3). Never in those cases has the car been underweight. This is a cock up by Mercedes and nobody else.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

No word on the specific cause that I've seen, just the team acknowledged that they made an error according to the release from the stewards. I'm not insinuating anything but I have to wonder how that happened and if it was isolated to just George's car.

It sucks, a sour end to an otherwise brilliant day for him and the team.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Could this be a factor in why Russell was able to do a 1stopper when everyone else couldn't? Because his car simply was so much lighter?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Others did do a 1-stop. Alonso and Tsunoda I believe. They weren't underweight.

I don't think the issue is the tyres, I think it was a cockup from the garage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

It was a great drive by Russell and even bolder strategy call from him.

Mercedes fucked up big time. Now they have lost a lot of points and helped McLaren and Redbull get even further ahead in the standings.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

That would have vaulted him past Perez in the standings up to 7th.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Weird band name. Just ripping off Breaking Benjamin.