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A consumer group is urgently calling on the federal government to follow other jurisdictions in the U.S and Europe and bring in legislation to stem the slide toward a cashless society.

Only 10 per cent of transactions in Canada today are done using cash, according to Carlos Castiblanco, an economist with the group Option Consommateurs.

"There is a need to protect cash right now before more merchants start refusing [it]," Castiblanco recently told CBC Radio's Ontario Today.

It's critical to act now, he added, before retailers begin removing all the infrastructure required to store and maintain physical money.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago (5 children)

The main thing that concerns me about a fully cashless society is that the means of buying and selling stuff shifts fully into the hands of the for profit, private company payment processors.

If cash is no longer an option, then ever increasing payment fees can become a growing profit center for those banks, credit card companies and payment processors as they gouge the public worse than they already are.

[–] brax 16 points 1 month ago

Which is why we need to nationalize banks. Why the fuck are they private institutions when you literally can't get by without a bank account?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Yup. Mastercard, Visa and American Express are about to get much worse on consumers and merchants.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And, y'know, you'll never be able to buy anything illegal again, even if that's just a book a la Fahrenheit 451.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The main thing that concerns me about a fully cashless society is that the means of buying and selling stuff shifts fully into the hands of the for profit, private company payment processors.

Not necessarily true. The federal government can and should roll out their own instant payment mechanism under the supervision of the central bank or federal reserve. For reference: the FedNow initiative in the US, FPS in Hong Kong, and PIX in Brazil.

Interac is an aberration and it should be killed by a real public service.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I carry cash and I give it to people in need, I don't mind cashless payment being the default but at least some of the following things need to happen before we can fully move to that:

  • Canada Post needs to open a savings account/credit card so that it is not profit motivated and accessible to disadvantaged people. Most poor people can't afford the annual fee for cards with decent benefits, and to get it waived you need to have significant deposits with your bank/credit union.
  • We need a public option compared to Visa/MC/Amex, even if it's only usable domestically. Letting a handful of non-Canadian companies make a percentage of all Canadians' transactions is ridiculous and if there was no cash then they would look to jack up rates to whatever they wanted.
  • We need regulations in how credit card companies can charge merchants and customers.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Very well put.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Credit cards are the issue for me. An unnecessary third party skimming money (not to mention data) out of every transaction we make.

I can't NOT use them though, since the cash back can be too good to pass up. If credit cards were regulated into irrelevance I'd be almost 100% on cash.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But on cash or debit? That's the thing here. Interac is fine as far as I know and cashless. It's the credit cards that are sketchy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Interac AFAIK used to be a nonprofit, but few years back became a for profit corporation. While I'm happy for the option, I'd stick with paper/metal where possible if CCs weren't a thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, with an okay card the cash backs are just too good to pass up on… literally a couple thousand a year we’d be spitting on between my wife and I just making the purchases we’d have done anyway. I wouldn’t give a crap about going back to cash if it wasn’t for that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

I carry an emergency $50 with me and I haven't had to use it in a few years. I do not miss change jangling in my pocket.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm going to go against the grain here. I use cash for everything, because I avoid being trackable as much as humanly possible.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The ONLY place I have used cash in the last year at least has been having a coin for my shopping cart and the local dump only takes cash.

I get 2-3% back on every transaction my credit card and pay it off every month for zero fees.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm the same.

But we also pay 5-6% more for everything as a society, or whatever credit cards are charging merchants now a days.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

$0.30 + 1.8-2.6% (up to 3.5% if they take Amex)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You know who is the biggest anti-cashless advocates? Ultra Conservative religious weirdos.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Which is kind of surprising because 25 years ago it was the opposite, based on Revelation 13:16 -- "Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead" ...

which many took to indicate the use of mobile phones as the only way to purchase anything.

I guess they changed their minds. /s

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Reminds me of this article of Yanis Varoufakis : Who’s Afraid of Central Bank Digital Currencies?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Can’t stand using cash. I’d be fine with an unregulated crypto currency that doesn’t need for profit companies, but never want to carry cash again.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I used to carry cash all the time, mostly to have some to give away to those in need. But COVID pretty much shut that down ... and now I'm barely making ends meet so don't have the spare money to give anymore.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I never give out cash. It will be misused most of the time. I donate to charities or food banks instead.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I've lived on the streets. Cash allowed me to buy tampons and other things I needed.

Besides who am I to judge what someone needs. They know better than I do.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Oh. Guess you are the exception. Good on you for escaping. Now you can give your cash, I’ll never be giving mine out to other than charities.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

The minute money becomes more important than people, it's a problem.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago