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Voters think Trump is a criminal, Biden is too old and DeSantis is a fascist: poll
(www.independent.co.uk)
I'll take old over criminal or fascist.
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Especially an old man just restored a chunk of the social safety net. No, it's not enough yet, but Republicans are making sure of that.
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The main fear with an old person is the instability it could cause if they grew ill. But the other two options are guaranteed instability. So I think I'll take my chances.
Also keep in mind that trump is basically as old as Biden.
And shows far more signs of being old. (The memory recall test thingy is not something given to someone of obviously sound mind,)
Yeah. Strong "one of those things is not like the others" energy to this headline, lol.
Yep!
The thing about an old president is that even if he grows senile, there's the entire rest of their administration that generally have the same goals in mind as them.
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I would too, but like, could not limit it to just those three choices please?
It’s the illusion of choice, like one may give a toddler: would you like to have bacon or sausage with your breakfast? It’s the same product, different flavor.
Maybe in the worst funded public school system breakfast ever conceived …
Bacon is a cured pork- usually belly, and typically sliced.
Sausage is a seasoned ground meat… er… product… that might be cured or smoked or not, might be stuffed into casings or not, might (usually, unless specified,) be pork. Or not.
The two products are vastly different. And, in point of fact … Biden and the other two are also vastly different.
You might have had a point if you had said “it’d be like asking if you want cheap sausage or dogs shit.” I’ll let you figure out which is what.
Typical liberal. I’m left of that but thank you for the pedantry. It’s still pork and that goes to the wealthy and corporations, is the point. I’ll let you figure out which group works for the commoners.
I'm leftist too and would love for someone other than old centrist men to run the country but saying Biden and Trump are the same is just ignorant. One is a straight up racist, misogynist fascist who has done irreparable damage to the country, and the other is at least somewhat competent and has enacted policies like the COVID relief stipend and pausing student loan debt payments. Yes, he also is a shill for big companies and should be doing way more. But it does make a difference for millions of people. All you do by treating them as the same is discourage people from voting, and that voter apathy is what got us trump, and could get us desantes. Short of a political revolution, that still is our best way to enact actual change. Plus, those things aren't mutually exclusive.
Good politician-bad politician ruse imo. It’s not the age so much as the recorded history. That Overton Window is so right, it’s wrong, now.
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This is actually what I find funny about conservatives. They paint someone like me as way extreme left anarchocommunist or something and its like. This is rediculous. Im just left of center and the party I vote for is just right of center. Your party is the one so extreme you see center as left.
for me its more a choice of do you want sausage in your mouth or up your arsehole.
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I feel that it should be pointed out that Trump is also a fascist.
And old
He's the total package! Like, the kind of package you'd set on fire and leave on a neighbor's porch.
My grandmother was born in Berlin, Germany in 1938. She watched the Gestapo put a handgun to her grandfathers head and murder him because he wouldn’t give up his grandsons to fight the russians towards the end of the war. Seeing an old woman cry towards the end of her life about the horrors of ww2 and the atrocities of nazis then the subsequent pillaging of berlin by russian soldiers (she witnessed her mother get gang raped by russian soldiers) i find your comment to be ignorant and offensive, Trump isnt a nazi and if he was you would’ve seen him arm his supporters to the teeth with military grade equipment and wholesale murder liberals like it was going out of style
Not to diminish that experience. But that also started with people laughing at Hitler all over Europe. Just like we laughed at Trump, our luck is that America seems to be 50/50 not 80/20 like the Nazis benfore WW2.
Hey maybe all America needs is extreme poverty for more people to give in to the strong man logic and we ain't safe.
Your story is moving but the nazis existed before that and before they where in power. Germany was a democracy that became a fascist state. It did not start out with guns to the head. This is what he and others mean when they call him a fascist. Not ww2 fully have taken over fascist but the having barfights with communists fascists before the took over.
I'm sorry that happened to your grandmother but what does that have to do with that? Parent comment says he is a fascist and never mentions Nazis (though he also happens to be one).
Having a grandmother traumatized by the horrors of war doesn't make you an expert in the politics that started it. Going by your logic, my grandfather fought Nazis in WWII and that makes me uniquely qualified to tell you trump is a fascist that is mostly interested by the capital being a ruler brings him, and that he absolutely endorses the killing of Jewish people and minorities in general, as that bolsters the base that gives him money. Bolstering that base makes them arm themselves politically and personally, giving rise to the current fascist laws being passed in red states and the countless right wing domestic terrorist groups. As someone who would be a target of both of these were I living in the united states, I find your comment to be ignorant and offensive. Trump is a Nazi and you can see him enticing his Nazi voter base to arm themselves with military grade equipment and preparing to wholesale murder liberals like it's going out of style.
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It's the state of politics that the wealthy elite owners of the country absolutely enjoy
Voters no longer vote for who they want
They vote for the best of the worst that is given to them
They vote for the best of the worst that is given to them
Nothing new about that.
I was a lot less worried about Mitt Romney.
Romney was a corporate stooge, but at least you knew it was just going to be more rich get richer shit. This new variety is deadset on torturing people instead of just making them poor.
Not even best. Many people vote purely against the thing they don't want, rather than voting for the thing they do want.
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There has not been a time for ripe in modern times for a strong 3rd party candidate. To bad the whole system is rigged against it.
3rd party, on a national scale, is guaranteed to fail in fptp. The only one who wins in fptp is the least hated (of 2) candidate. 3rd party votes just suck votes that could be voted against that most hated candidate
This isn't inherently a failure of first past the post, this is a failure of human psychology.
No, it's definitely a FPTP failure. If you have progressive third party candidate who mostly attracts voters who would otherwise have voted Democrat, it splits the vote. Even if the majority of people voted for either the third party or the Democrat candidate (let's say 30% each), the Republican candidate would get win even with 60% of people not wanting them.
I suspect you're thinking of people being afraid to vote third party and thus dooming the third party to lose, but the fallacy of that is assuming that everyone would genuinely vote for the third party over other candidates, which isn't the case. Articles like the one we're commenting on are only pointing out the most common belief.
First past the post voting systems prevent viable third parties because of human psychology. Why are we pretending to argue about how we phrase this?
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That time was 2016, which is why gary johnson got so many votes.
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Fascist, criminal, or geezer.
Ngl I know which one I’m picking (the old fart).
Totally normal "democracy", working very well. 🙃
Sound about right.
sample size of 1000 though. you'd think they'd be able to find tens of thousands of people
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Wait, Trump is no longer fascist?
Not as fascist as desantis.
Trump had fascist tendencies, desantis is trying it out in practice.
At this point, I'd be in favor of just asking 9 first-graders what their favorite single digit number is, and granting the position of POTUS to whoever's social security number matches the one they generated.
But, given our current options I'd take a clueless old man over a lucid fascist in a fuckin' heart beat. How is this really being presented as a dilemma? Would you rather have your house a bit too chili, or burn the whole thing down? Sure I don't like either option, but deciding which one's better kinda plays out like those cheesy banking commercials.
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