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If there is a cover up of UFO/UAP capture/study, how do you suspect it may be achieved? (midwest.social)
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For example, might it be modled on the cover up of the Manhattan project when it was ongoing? If so, would there be any unique indicators that such a cover up is ongoing now?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Much like the Manhattan Project, many of the people working on it had no idea what they were actually involved in due to its compartmentalized nature.

If you were to believe the people involved with the subject, these would be the steps to maintain such secrecy, in no particular order:

  1. Compartmentalize and stovepipe the research.
  2. Deny and dismiss any reports.
  3. Provide prosaic explanations to all reports, even if they might be bogus.
  4. Discredit individuals who come forward.
  5. Stigmatize the issue.
  6. Utilize the mainstream media to assist with steps 2 through 4.

The initial reports of Roswell stated that debris from a flying saucer had been recovered. However, the narrative later changed to it being a weather balloon. This switch serves as an example of a cover-up.

John Greenewald from The Black Vault has expressed his view and essentially demonstrated through FOIA requests that there is a cover-up of some kind, though he hasn't expressed what he believes is being covered up. Whether this cover-up involves black projects, a psyop, or non-human technology, we ultimately require more solid evidence to determine this with certainty. The amount of high ranking credible military and government personnel coming forward saying "Non-Human Intelligence" does cause people to lean a certain way, however.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's pretty much like this, and quite a lot of half-truths, patriotism, militarism and capitalism that simply makes people want to keep the secret on top.

And a lot of executions, of course. The people involved would proximately have know about it as well.

How do crime networks keep secrets? Threat of violence. Now imagine that effect, but instead of a small time organisation like the Mafia or Yakuza, it's the entire US deep state.

Why do whistleblower offer say they fear for their lives? No wonder people would keep secrets.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I can't believe I forgot to include the threats of physical violence and career/character assassination. These are likely the most significant methods, especially when the government is involved.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It depends on what you mean by cover-up.

Does the US government know we are being visited by aliens and have managed to disguise it? That seems unlikely because definitive evidence would have leaked out by now - Trump "borrowed" so many secret documents, you'd imagine the most prized would have been pictures of alien autopsies and the like. Just look at the Discord leaks, some idiot will always try and impress their friends and proof of aliens would be the biggest prize.

Has the US government been manipulating the perception of the phenomena in order to cover up various top secret projects? We know that has happened.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Does the US government know we are being visited by aliens and have managed to disguise it? That seems unlikely because definitive evidence would have leaked out by now - Trump “borrowed” so many secret documents, you’d imagine the most prized would have been pictures of alien autopsies and the like. Just look at the Discord leaks, some idiot will always try and impress their friends and proof of aliens would be the biggest prize.

I would argue that information has been leaking for 70 years. Granted, these "leaks" have primarily been testimonies by individuals in the military and government. The only hard evidence with a verified chain of custody that has been publicly disclosed are the three videos released in 2017. Christopher Mellon and Lue Elizondo facilitated the release of these videos.

As for President Trump, it's uncertain what he was privy to. I've seen the argument made that he would leak information, but that is merely an assumption. Video evidence shows him seemingly dismissing UFOs at the beginning of his presidency, but his tone drastically changes towards the end. This shift is most notable during the interview he had with his son, Don Jr.

Has the US government been manipulating the perception of the phenomena in order to cover up various top secret projects? We know that has happened.

I can agree with this. Regardless of if you believe UAP represent a Non-Human origin or not, I think there are some cases in which black projects have been mistaken for UAP and the government would gladly have the public believe they are non prosaic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I would argue that information has been leaking for 70 years.

And yet, no smoking gun. Most of the big "leaks" have been disinformation.

edit: and in our information age, the evidence is just a few clicks of a mouse away. If not leakers, then hackers would be after it - we know they have been.

The only hard evidence with a verified chain of custody that has been publicly disclosed are the three videos released in 2017. Christopher Mellon and Lue Elizondo facilitated the release of these videos.

It's not evidence of aliens.

I think there are some cases in which black projects have been mistaken for UAP and the government would gladly have the public believe they are non prosaic.

They aren't just happy that they've been mistaken as UFOs, the intelligence services have been actively involved with misdirection since the early days.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most of the big “leaks” have been disinformation.

Would you be able to give an example of a leak being disinformation? I'm not saying there isn't, I'm honestly just curious. I'd like to educate myself in this case.

edit: and in our information age, the evidence is just a few clicks of a mouse away. If not leakers, then hackers would be after it - we know they have been.

Generally, I would agree with you. However, I would argue that most critical information that needs to stay out of the public eye is likely located on an intranet with no connection to the outside world.

Take the Snowden leaks as an example. He had to physically walk out with those documents. It's worth noting that Snowden had this to say about "aliens" when searching for documents: "I had ridiculous access to the networks of the NSA, the CIA, the military, all these groups. I couldn’t find anything,” he continued. “So if it’s hidden, and it could be hidden, it’s hidden really damn well, even from people who are on the inside."

Generally speaking, hackers target data they can profit from, such as bulk user data like credit card information, identities, and so forth. Despite popular belief, the vast majority of hackers targeting governments are actually other governments.

Edit: Just to play devil's advocate, there was a hacker named Gary McKinnon who breached NASA's security in the early 2000s. He claims to have seen satellite imagery of UFOs. Although it's anecdotal, I thought it worth mentioning as it's relevant to our discussion.

It’s not evidence of aliens.

You are correct, and I must apologize for the misunderstanding. When I originally read your first comment, I somehow overlooked the fact that you specifically mentioned aliens. What I meant to say is that it's evidence of something non-prosaic or unlikely to be man-made. However, I wouldn't necessarily assert that it's made by aliens.

They aren’t just happy that they’ve been mistaken as UFOs, the intelligence services have been actively involved with misdirection since the early days.

I agree with you here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You’d achieve it by poisoning the well. You’d make a cultural reflex to reject the information. It wouldn’t be that hard because the information is extremely disturbing. Alien intelligence is a terrifying prospect. So people want to reject it, and you encourage that through cultural engineering to ensure it’s a taboo subject worthy of ridicule.

That basically nullifies disclosure.

Unlike the Manhattan project, the alien coverup is leaky as hell. It make sense considering it’s ongoing for many decades with no end point in sight.

The secret hasn’t been kept. It’s just been rendered impotent by sterilizing curiosity about it within the culture. The secret has escaped prison each time. And every time it has stood dully staring at an empty plane extending to infinity in every direction.

Instead of containing the beast we just removed its food supply. The only place the presence of aliens can be contended with is inside the interface program. The rest of the world has been inoculated against any resonance with the thought of aliens being present. We just can’t process it as a reality.

The secret has leaked countless times, to no effect.

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