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[–] [email protected] 120 points 6 months ago (24 children)

I'm not surprised at all, physical media is only good for the consumer. They want subscriptions so they can keep you paying constantly, there's no benefit for them

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 6 months ago (2 children)

At the risk of sounding like a corporate shill: fucking duh? Who ever thought otherwise???

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Netflix. Its how their business started. DVD rentals via mail.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Netflix. Its how their business started. DVD rentals via mail.

Nokia started as a paper mill company and sold toilet paper. With the release of the Nokia 9 PureView smartphone, nobody expected Nokia to release bog roll along with it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (10 children)

I was going to make the same sort of metaphor with Nintendo until I looked it up and saw that they still produce playing cards 🙃

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

I almost did that too, until I remembered Pokemon and pivoted before posting.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Data on a HDD or SSD (without DRM) is also physical media, and much more flexible. No need to expend more plastic locking data onto a dying format.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

More like dead format. I haven't had a dvd player in my home for over a decade

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

No game consoles? Everything from the PS2 and Xbox forward has the ability to play DVDs.

Blu Ray starting with the PS3 and Xbox One.

4K UHD starting with the Xbox One S and PS5.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No game consoles?

What, PC's with lock-in firmware? Thanks, no.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Nope. Only console I've bought in the last decade was the Switch and the Steam Deck. I did have an Xbox 360 but that was like 14 years ago now

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I bet you still have an HDD or SSD somewhere though

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Yeah, like a half dozen just lying around.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Not only a dead format, but a unstable shelf life format. CDs and DVDs were always marketed as storage for good. But technically that was never possible, not the way it was actually manufactured. The used plastics and metal laminates had a rough expected life of 15 years or thereabouts, at best. Obviously a massive increase from magnetic tapes that started degrading as soon as the recording stopped and got slowly more damaged the more you played them. But still not a permanent solution. No organized data is stored forever, entropy won't allow this. Most if not all original compact discs are probably gone by now, and some end user burnables had even worse chemistry in their data layers than original prints.

Only actively making new copies of digital goods in new storage media regularly keeps those goods alive. We need new storage mediums that are resilient in the measure of centuries and not just a decade or so. We need commercial glass 3D optical storage now.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Flanagan admits that he has tracked down and secured bootlegged copies of his Netflix series because that is the only means of preserving his work.

Kinda sad he can't even get a good copy for himself from the source. Fear of leaking I guess

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Why is this even a knock on Netflix? McDonald's doesn't serve steak and I don't think it's because McDonald's bad. Netflix is in the streaming business, not the physical media business. Look elsewhere if that's important to you?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (23 children)

Because they’re in the business of art and they’re perfectly happy to kill art if it doesn’t make business sense. There is a cultural cost to this stuff disappearing that isn’t comparable to the McRib going away.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago

They are in the business of streaming, and are making art to maintain a fresh library to stream. Just like broadcasters and movie theaters before them.

TV shows and movies on physical media was a huge change for those that required a shift in priorities that took decades and for phyiscal media to be profitable. Netflix is still making bank doing what they know how to do, which is streaming. Switching to physical media would need to be more reliably profitable for them than limiting it to streaming to encourage subs to make the switch.

I would prefer the physical media option too, but their reluctance is understandable.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

Netflix and the other streamers represent a growing majority of new IP investment

If the trend continues, there would eventually be no new media produced in physical formats

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Because there's no way to own that media that netflix has rights to. Currently, legally ~~buying~~ accessing any tv shows or movies digitally means the company who offered them to you can yank them away at any time, legally.

That's not ownership.

Physical media still isn't perfect, as it includes copy protection, but at least no one can legally take your BluRay away from you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Okay. Don't consume that media? Artists are not forced into contracts with Netflix. They can do what thousands of artists did before Netflix ever existed. Will they hit the same level of audience that Netflix pulls? No. People like streaming and it's popular as hell. Why would they be entitled to that though? Artists, creators of any type really, have agency to do as they wish with their art. Consumers have a choice in the art they consume. If either chooses to engage with Netflix, why would it not be on the terms that Netflix has openly set and asked you whether you wanted to partake in?

I just do not understand this viewpoint and it's all over the thread. To be clear, Netflix does other stuff that sucks, like killing shows and underpaying artists. Be mad at them for that all you like, I'll be right there with ya. Insinuating Netflix is doing something ethically bad by pivoting to streaming, which the vast majority of the world's population would rather use than physical media, just does not make a lick of sense to me. Why should Netflix pay employees, rent factory space, set up an entire vertical they've gotten out of, just to produce CDs that history showed hardly anyone bought after the transition to streaming?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean, for as long as physical media even is a thing. Given where the control and money is I don't see physical media being a thing for much longer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

And Netflix isn't the one killing it, they're just following trends. We are killing physical media because we don't use or buy it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I wouldn't mind like a store where you buy movies and music but you bring your own storage device, maybe 2 to get a safety backup in case something happens on the way home.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

A business that connects to random people's usb drives all day? What could possibly go wrong!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Man's destroying my hopes and dreams here x'D

Nah jk, i seriously didn't think of the implications yet.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

It’s called rent seeking behaviour. It’s parasitic.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean... no shit? Netflix's business is not making good films or TV shows. It is getting people to sign up to Netflix and then forget about it for a few years.

It sucks because I very much prefer my media on blu-ray (and then on my plex server). And we are increasingly seeing media that is very much dependent on HDR and gets demolished by encoding and bandwidth limitations. But... that is more a "problem" of the creators not realizing their medium (similar to how a Nolan mix is perfect if you have a center channel but... most TVs and cell phones don't have one).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Flanagan made Hill House and Midnight Mass for Netflix. So it's not like there aren't at least some good shows.

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