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With the latest version of Firefox for U.S. desktop users, we’re introducing a new way to measure search activity broken down into high level categories. This measure is not linked with specific individuals and is further anonymized using a technology called OHTTP to ensure it can’t be connected with user IP addresses.

Let’s say you’re using Firefox to plan a trip to Spain and search for “Barcelona hotels.” Firefox infers that the search results fall under the category of “travel,” and it increments a counter to calculate the total number of searches happening at the country level.

Here’s the current list of categories we’re using: animals, arts, autos, business, career, education, fashion, finance, food, government, health, hobbies, home, inconclusive, news, real estate, society, sports, tech and travel.

Having an understanding of what types of searches happen most frequently will give us a better understanding of what’s important to our users, without giving us additional insight into individual browsing preferences. This helps us take a step forward in providing a browsing experience that is more tailored to your needs, without us stepping away from the principles that make us who we are.

We understand that any new data collection might spark some questions. Simply put, this new method only categorizes the websites that show up in your searches — not the specifics of what you’re personally looking up.

Sensitive topics, like searching for particular health care services, are categorized only under broad terms like health or society. Your search activities are handled with the same level of confidentiality as all other data regardless of any local laws surrounding certain health services.

Remember, you can always opt out of sending any technical or usage data to Firefox. Here’s a step-by-step guide on how to adjust your settings. We also don’t collect category data when you use Private Browsing mode on Firefox.

The Copy Without Site Tracking option can now remove parameters from nested URLs. It also includes expanded support for blocking over 300 tracking parameters from copied links, including those from major shopping websites. Keep those trackers away when sharing links!

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago (4 children)

So much for privacy? I understand they say they only do this in broad terms and without tracking specifically, but i dont think a browser tracking this kind of data from their users is fair, if not i would just be using chrome.

Saying that you can just disable it is the cherry on top, something like this should be opt in, not opt out

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

What’s the point of making it opt in when only the most paranoid users are going to be concerned enough about this to opt out

“We came out with this new feature to help us improve our product, but we’re deliberately kneecapping it on day one by making it opt-in” lol

If you are that paranoid about your data just go use Tor through a vpn already

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"You most likely would have agreed, so why bother asking for your consent?"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ah right, makes sense. I take it you read the EULA in its entirety before you ever downloaded Mozilla in the first place? Because if you didn’t, you missed the part where you gave them permission to do exactly that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (10 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, the classic "most people will not care se we are not even going to ask them, an entry in our blog no one reads will do".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You explicitly gave them permission to do so when you agreed to the EULA at the time you downloaded it. If you have a problem with that, feel free to delete Mozilla and move on with your life. Mozilla doesn’t owe you anything.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Thats how you sound.

Maybe we can discuss when a company does something completely inmoral that goes against what they say they stand for?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Yes…the multimillion dollar…open source…non-profit…company…

By all means, go screaming your discontent to every corner of the internet. Let me know what that accomplishes for you.

You can bitch about shit outside of your control or you can deal with it and move on with your life. Your choice.

Better yet, put your money that you didn’t spend on Mozilla where your mouth is, grab the free source code to Firefox that literally everybody has access to, and make your own web browser that works however you think it ought to.

Of, you could go use Tor if you’re so addicted to that “shit-quality browser that nobody outside of dark web users puts any work into because they’re the only people that make any money off it” vibe

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Haha, remind me again why we are all in a lemmy community about firefox if you feel that any complain at them is "screaming your discontent at every corner of the internet". Is that bitching lmao? Did anyone mention Tor or do you have a weird hate boner against it or need to attack something else to protect the multi million dollar company?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Because it came up in my feed and I felt like commenting? Do I need a better reason? I’m not protecting anybody, I’m just pointing out basic shit about how the world works lol.

Mozilla is free. And like any other service on the internet, when it’s free you are the product. This is internet 101 shit. If you have a problem with that, uninstall the program and move on with your life. I just used tor as an example because you all seem to be incredibly worried about the privacy you get from a free program lol. If you want maximum privacy without spending any money, that’s what you should be using

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You're not wrong, you're just an asshole

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

And I am perfectly fine with that. Beats being yet another internet slacktivist bitching about how the shit they’re being given for free isn’t good enough.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

And I am perfectly fine with that.

You wouldn't be an asshole otherwise. Maybe some beautiful day you'll realise being an insufferable twat might not be the best approach to life, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Tor is Firefox, why are you calling it "a shit-quality browser" while defending Mozilla so hard

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wow, you really went and edited all your posts on this discussion several hours later to try to not look as stupid as you were? This is some reddit level shit lmao.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I’ll be sure to add any future comments as new replies in order to maintain compliance with your imaginary rules that wouldn’t matter even if they were real lol

[–] pelespirit 7 points 8 months ago

The moment they started collecting your bookmark history and hiding it really well is when I knew they were heading towards the dark side. I don't think they're they're there yet, but I might be naive about it.

[–] ItsComplicated 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

All companies are going to track you one way or another. This is our reality. We can hope for no tracking laws, which will most likely never happen, or, never use technology, which is not an option for the most part.

Not a great place to be, imo.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

We can at least avoid this end by using FOSS software. Anyone who doesn't like this can switch to the Librewolf fork.

The other end is harder, we'd have to obfuscate IP and get rid of fingerprints. The second you need an account for anything you can be tracked again, tho.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)

First 90% of post: We collect more data now

Last 10%: Also here's a feature to prevent other companies from collecting as much data

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The Apple way, we are not going to let other people collect your data... because we are the only ones that can do that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

You forgot, “but we don’t do that. We do. But we don’t. Your stuff is safe with us!”

Narrator: it isn’t.

[–] Scolding0513 4 points 8 months ago

Also doesnt describe the details of how they do it, as if they dont care

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Mozilla is a for-profit company and is bound to enshittify just like any other for-profit company. Tracking, ads, and a focus on unnecessary bullshit like Pocket and recommendations have long indicated that Mozilla doesn't give a shit about the user. They want to shove AI in the browser just like all the others. Unfortunately, the best browser is still Firefox, but at least use a privacy focused fork like LibreWolf that also strips Mozilla's other bullshit away rather than using Firefox straight up.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Mozilla corporation (for profit) is FULLY owned by Mozilla Foundation (non profit) and is to reinvest its profit in the projects. Say what you want about the telemetry but no need to lie.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

This has been my main browser for some time now. I love it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Where's the "Just use FF" Bros on this one?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Can be easily disabled.

Also, forks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The first part sounds like when Windows users are discussing Start Menu ads, the second part is legit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

I mean, true, but settings will not be reset after an update.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Most didn't even pay attention because this outrage is too cringe.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Easily toggled off in the settings. This is a big nothing-burger. Come on people...

It's the same setting you use to turn off general telemetry. Chances are you've already disabled this. So can we stop crying about it? Literally nothing changed if you already turned telemetry off in settings.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh FFS, we want to tailor you experience? Totally unnecesary and how would that make my browsing better?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Bunch of clueless management folk think everything must be personally tailored and become your best friend or something.