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Aspiring Author K. Renee was reportedly locked out of her own content on Google Docs after Google flagged it as "inappropriate."

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yet another reminder that “the cloud” is really just “someone else’s computer”. The end users of cloud based products are controlled by “someone else’s” rules and whims.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago

And by "someone else", it normally boils down to gigantic corporations that would exploit everything about you to earn money

[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Guys, settle down. This is a clickbait title, google isn't "censoring" anything and no part of the content of her silly hockey porn was deemed unacceptable by Google. What happened is that she had a ton of people accessing these documents and Google inaccurately flagged it as her spamming them at people unsolicited. That's why she was locked from sharing them, because Google('s automated systems) assumed it was a bot account doing spam.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

For YEARS my google calendar was spammed with "FUCK MY PUSSY @2PM (insert dangerous link here)" type shit but like a dozen people reading some amateur smut gets flagged immediately.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How on Earth were people editing your calendar without permission?

[–] chickenf622 12 points 4 months ago

Google will add them automatically as tentative events. This is a "helpful" feature that no one could see being abused. Outlook does the same shit as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

MAD PUSSY IN BIO FOLLOW ME ON JUSTHVAC.NET

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

thanks for saving me a click.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

thanks. as a lazy person who just wants content from the forum direct you are my savior.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago

You will own nothing and you will be grateful.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Google is going puritan now? It's a lot more concerning to me that companies are scanning all of your personal documents than the fact that someone wrote some potential indecent content.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

yeah that was my first thought. you would think it would just get locked into no sharing or something.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

We're going to end up with a digital world in which corporate AIs are the arbiters of acceptable and nothing will exist without their approval. They have successfully seized control of the internet and even people's personal devices. It's terrible.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

They've always been strict at blocking potentially offensive text. Ever kept trying to compose a helpful, constructive YouTube comment reply that doesn't disappear when you refresh? The AI there is really draconian. Once, someone wanted details of a rather wholesome story I had shared in a top level comment. Replying with the follow-up always failed despite no obvious trigger words. I resorted to editing the parent comment but then struggled to get a "see edit" reply through. At least 10 attempts at expressing "look at the root comment for updates" failed, eventually I managed to get a reply through with nothing but "🔝". It got removed after I tried to edit it to a clearer expression so I just posted another "🔝" reply and hoped for the best.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

"Romance" is such a crap term! She was writing porn. Likely with minors. I'm involved with a lot of authors, some also write porn ~~open-door spice~~, and the only things that get Google bans (from what I've been told) are kiddie porn and extreme gore.

While the dangers of handing your documents to Google can't be overstated, don't sympathise too much with this person.

EDIT: y'all know she was only blocked from sharing, right? She did not lose access to any of her work and no one has the right to demand a middle man for their content.

Scenario: Jack draws some heinous CP cartoon. He wants to share it with Alice. He asks Jill to hand it to Alice. Jill says "I am not handing this to anybody." Should Jill be on blast for censoring Jack?

Scenario 2: Jack draws some middling soft-core porn. He wants to share it with Alice. He asks Jill to hand it to Alice. Jill says "I am not handing this to anybody." Should Jill be on blast for censoring Jack?

[–] fadedmaster 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Original Wired article says later in it that Google thought she was spamming. This is relayed through the author though and not Google directly.

And you're right. She still had all her work, just couldn't share it.

Also, I haven't read the author's content, but nothing I saw when I searched the name seems to indicate it was CP. Also, the fact that Google didn't remove the content entirely indicates it wasn't illegal content.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Google never specified which of her 222,000 words was inappropriate. There were no highlighted sections, no indicators of what had rendered her documents unshareable. Had one of her readers flagged the content without discussing it with her first? "

So much of her work could have broken the T&Cs that she can't identify what it could be without highlights.

Original Wired article says later in it that Google thought she was spamming

Different author, but if that's the case (and it seems this author shares files to over 80 people in one go) then it's a spam filter issue? Again, non story.

The headline is a complete lie.

[–] fadedmaster 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ah. I can't pull the original article back up due to a pay wall but I did read it quickly so is possible it was a different author.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

You can bypass paywalls by archiving the article. Try archive.is

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Brother, people should be allowed to entertain and write down horrific thoughts, especially in a private context, and it not be censored. Policing thought crimes is orders of magnitude more horrific than whatever vile shit someone can put on a page.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think we read different articles:

This person was not allowed to SHARE the things written. That's not a thought crime.

[–] mindbleach 1 points 4 months ago

That's why the classic image of censorship is duct tape over your... brain.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

How do you tell people that you are now using shitty AI to evaluate the content of documents on your site without telling people you are using shitty AI to evaluate the content of documents on your site.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They should switch to LibreOffice then, with Syncthing if they need to sync it across multiple computers.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

After months and months of hrm-ing and haw-ing I think about to pull the trigger but Is this the right link

Ik it seems silly but I thought I’d ask

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This link seems to be correct indeed, if anything, their code is on that domain: https://git.libreoffice.org/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for verifying cus I definitely have my parents tech anxiety of Am I dOwNlOaDiNg A vIrUs

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not necessarily a bad feeling to have, I upload everything I downloaded to https://www.virustotal.com/ before opening them if I can.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I’m assuming that’s a virus checker. But tysm for that it’ll make my life so much easier

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I like this idea, except sometimes I need to access my notes on mobile. Can we open Libre files on mobile? Haven't tried that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Collabora office can open open document format files, yes

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Glad I switched to proton drive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Couldn't she just copy the text to a text file or .odt file and perhaps email it (or better yet, physically copy it with a USB drive) if she can't direct share it?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

That might be her working copy. Google docs is fine for text editing. Of course she could work offline or use other platforms, but that's kinda besides the point of the article.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Hmm I wonder if my novel started years ago and never finished past the first scene is still on hiveword...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Not AI? No longer profitable.

Remind me in five years.