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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you work 40 hours a week, you should be able to afford a good life, full stop.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

it's only common sense, right? apparently not.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Same way minimum wage means “we’d pay you less if we could”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"this is the aboslutely minimum we can get away with".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Then Minimum wage is topped up with tax credits or be benefit, which I was actually rewarding the buisness not the individual but letting the buisness pay less than a living wage for those 40hrs

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm trying to be optimistic that I'll see a 4 day work week in the US in my lifetime.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That’s the dream!!!!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Some people might see a 4 day work work with 10-12 hour days, maybe.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I’m optimistic of this as well. I know it will happen. If climate change doesn’t wipe us out before then lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Doesn't seem that likely too me. I know there's been multiple European countries doing small scale experiments with it but is there anything similar going on in the US?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

its more like, if people would stop settling for wages below what you need to survive, then businesses wouldn't be able to function without paying a living wage. but there is always someone willing to do the work for less so they get away with it. imagine a world where restaurants and farms were forced to employ fully waged employees, the entire country would cease to function.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This assumes that there's an infinite supply of well paying jobs that are freely accessible to everyone, but that's not how reality works. If the options are "work for shit pay" or "don't work at all and starve" then people will choose the shit job. It's why market economies aim for a few percents unemployment(and why places like the US really don't want to forgive student debt) because people need to be desperate for whatever job they can get to keep wages low.

A much better way to solve it is just to legislate that if you work a fulltime job you have to be paid a livable wage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This isn't assuming shit. the problem is people don't collectively deny labor to jobs that don't pay a high enough wage. They're selfinterested and will take offers that are detrimental to the whole system because it gives them any amount of return. It's literally about collective bargaining, or at least refusing to negotiate for anything less than the bare necessities

[–] darkwing_duck 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So in essence you just want to ban employers from being able to offer poverty wages.

Doesn't that mean even more people would be out of a job as the jobs paying poverty wages disappear? They won't pay more, they're way more likely to close up shop.