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I thought I'll make this thread for all of you out there who have questions but are afraid to ask them. This is your chance!

I'll try my best to answer any questions here, but I hope others in the community will contribute too!

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (29 children)

Why are debian-based systems still so popular for desktop usage? The lack of package updates creates a lot of unnecessary issues which were already fixed by the devs.

Newer (not bleeding edge) packages have verifiably less issues, e.g. when comparing the packages of a Debian and Fedora distro.

That's why I don't recommend Mint

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

This is where I see atomic distros like Silverblue becoming the new way to get reliable systems, and up to date packages. Because the base system is standardised there can be a lot more QA as there is alot less entropy in the installed system. Plus free rollbacks if something goes wrong. You don't get that by default on Debian.

Distrobox can be used to install other programs (including GUI apps), I currently run Steam in a distrobox container on Silverblue and vscode with all of my development stuff in another one. And of course use flatpaks from FlatHub where I can, these are more stable than distro packages imo (when official) as the developers are developing for a single target with defined library versions. Not whatever ancient version Debian has or the latest which appeared on Arch very soon after release.

I've tried Debian a couple of times but it's just too out of date. I like new stuff and when developing stuff I need new stuff and it's not good enough to just install the development/unsupported versions of Debian. It's probably great for servers, but I think atomic distros will be taking over that space as well, eventually.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Debian desktop user here, and I would happily switch to RHEL on the desktop.

I fully agree, outdated packages can be very annoying (running a netbook with disabled WIFI sleep mode right now, and no, backported kernel/firmware don't solve my problem.)

For some years, I used Fedora (and I still love the community and have high respect for it).

Fedora simply does not work for me:

  • Updated packages can/did break compatibility for stuff I need to get stuff done. Fine if Linux is your hobby, not acceptable if you need to deliver something
  • In the industry, many times not the last recent packages of development environments are used (if you are lucky, you are only a few months or years behind), so having the most recent packages in Fedora helps me exactly zero
  • With Debians 2 years release cycle (and more years of support), I can upgrade to the next version when it is appropriate for me (= 1-2 days when there is a slow week and the worst bugs have been found already)
  • My setup/desktop is heavily customized and fully automated via IaC, no motivation to tweak this stuff constantly (rolling) or every 6-12 months (Fedora)
  • From time to time I have to use software packages from 3rd parties, with Fedora, I might be one update way from breaking this software packages because of version incompatibilities (yes, I might pin a version of something to use a 3rd party software, but this might break Fedora updates (direct and transitive dependencies)
  • I once had a cheap netbook for travel with an infamous chip set bug concerning sleep modes, which would be triggered by some kernels. You can imagine how it is to run Fedora, when you get often Kernel updates and the bug will be triggered or not after double digit numbers of minutes of work.

Of course, I could now start playing around with containerizing everything I need for work somehow and run something like Silverblue, perhaps I might do it someday, but then I would again need to update my IaC every 6-12months, would have to take care of overlays AND containers etc....

When people go 'rolling' or 'Fedora', they simply choose a different set of problems. I am happy we have choice and I can choose the trouble I have to life with.

On a more positive note: This also shows how far Linux has come along, I always play around with the latest/BETA Fedora Gnome/KDE images in a VM, and seriously don't feel I am missing anything in Debian stable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Debian systems are verified to work properly without subtle config breakages. You can run Debian practically unattended for a decade and it's chug along. For people who prefer their device to actually work, and not just be a maintenance princess, it's ideal.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (8 children)

How do you get the flavor out of it?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I have a feeling this is a joke. Either way I'm not following sorry 😭

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Is there a desktop environment with full wayland support other than Gnome and Plasma? I'd really like LXQT but without X.

I know about Sway and Hyprland but would prefer it if I didn't have to install and configure all the parts of a DE separately.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

What's the difference between /bin and /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin from an architectural point of view? And how does sbin relate to this?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (8 children)

How the hell do I set up my NAS (Synology) and laptop so that I have certain shares mapped when I'm on my home network - AND NOT freeze up the entire machine when I'm not???

For years I've been un/commenting a couple of lines in my fstab but it's just not okay to do it that way.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Any word on the next generation of matrix math acceleration hardware? Is anything currently getting integrated into the kernel? Where are the gource branches looking interesting for hardware pulls and merges?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Ctrl Alt f1 f2 etc. Why do these desktops/cli exist. What was their intended purpose and what do people use them for today? Is it just legacy of does it stll serve a purpose?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Each one is a virtual terminal and you can use them just like any other terminal. They exist because the easiest way to put some kind of a interactive display up is to just write text to a framebuffer and that’s exactly what your computer does when it boots and shows all that scrolling stuff. The different ones are just different framebuffers that the video card is asked to display when you push ctrl-alt-fnumber. You can add more or disable them altogether if you like.

Years ago my daily driver was a relatively tricked out compaq laptop and I used a combination of the highest mode set I could get, tmux and a bunch of curses based utilities to stay out of x for as much of the time as I could.

I mean, each vt had a slightly different colored background image, the text colors were configured, it was slick.

I used to treat them like multiple desktops.

With libcaca I was even able to watch movies on it without x.

I still use them when x breaks, which did happen last year to my surprise. If your adapter supports a vesa mode that’s appropriate to your monitor then you can use one with very fresh looking fonts and have everything look clean. Set you a background image and you’re off to the races with ncurses programs.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

If your system is borked sometimes you can boot into those and fix it. I'm not yet good enough to utilize that myself though, I'm still fairly new to linux too.

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