👏 Make 👏 ALL 👏 connections 👏 Symmetrical 👏
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If only it were easy to do. Technical limitations on copper is what causes low upload speeds. ISP’s prioritize the download speed, which is what people utilize the most. As fiber continues to be rolled out it should get better though.
Tell that to our beautiful German Telekom who'll sell you 1000down/200up FTTH for ridiculous 80€/month.
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Some service-provider level technology is not symmetrical at the access layer. An ISP serving exclusively fiber may have values like below:
GPON (GIGAbit passive optical network): 1.24416 Gigabits/s up, 2.48832 Gigabits/s down
XG-PON (10 gigabit passive optical network): 10G/2.5G
xgS-pon (10g Symmetrical optical network): 10g/10g
Note that on all of these technologies, you are also sharing bandwidth with neighbors on your PON. Sometimes up to 64 subs on one gpon. I think 128 on xgs-pon Until more providers make fiber available, as well as are willing to fork more up for the latest equipment, and reduce the over subscriptions of pons, symmetrical services for everyone just won’t happen.
Will this ever happen at mega providers / baby-bells? Probably never unless a regional or startup pops up, and then they will only attempt compete in that market.
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Quick! Give the ISPs a bunch of federal dollars to build out their networks so they can quietly pocket it and do stock buybacks!
Why weren't those monetary subsidies just after the fact instead of just paying out on promises? "You'll get x billion dollars when y% of this area has access to z Mbps." But then again I've heard there's monopolies for that in the USA, instead of actual competition.
But then again I’ve heard there’s monopolies for that in the USA, instead of actual competition.
Government granted monopolies. It's the worst. City / county/ state signs deal with ISP X and give them exclusive rights. Then for some reason they don't spend a lot of time updating anything because they have no competition because of the fucking morons in the government.
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Dude, 100Mbps isn't good enough anymore either
What? That’s plenty for the average person.
I think person* is the keyword here. Many families have several people concurrently watching streaming video, listening to music, and playing games that are required to have an internet connection. 100Mbps is not enough.
Streaming music is a very negligible impact. We've had streaming music for 2 decades.
Yeah that one bothers me... The most demanding MP3s are what... 320kbps? That's 3.3GB per day. That is not really a hard demand on bandwidth at all. 100GB/month. And that's the max bitrate MP3 does... Most services are probably doing 128kbps...
Spotify has an Audio quality table on their site... https://support.spotify.com/us/article/audio-quality/
Low = 24kbps, 0.2471923828 GB/day
Normal = 96 kbps, 0.9887695313 GB/day
High = 160 kbps, 1.6479492188 GB/day
Very High = 320 Kbps, 3.2958984375 GB/day
These are very reasonable and easy numbers to obtain on just about any internet connection. The only way this is an "issue" is if you're running like a couple hundred streams at once.
Right, but this is about setting a minimum standard for it to be classified as broadband. For an average individual 100Mbps is high speed internet.
And most families probably have cheap wifi routers with poor snr as their main bottleneck.
I would like to disagree, since every "news" site started adding auto playing videos and ads on each and every page. what should be a 2kB text now comes with a 50MB video Download...
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Meh, it's good enough to be usable. I have 50/10 Mbps down/up and I can watch 1440p videos just fine. What do y'all use your internet for? Do you have like 5 family members watching stuff at the same time?
The average US household has something like 2.5 people in it. It's safe to assume (statistically) that at least two of those people are old enough to consume web content unsupervised.
Then there are edge cases that aren't quite so crazy, like 5 person households where everyone is over the age 14.
So yeah, for one person 50/10 is likely just fine. But for the average household 100/15 is likely closer to baseline.
With the increase in WFH and distance learning, I think up/down parity should be a priority as well. Not everything is just about your ability to consume mass-marketed entertainment.
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One major AAA game update will likely break your connection for hours for all intents and purposes.
Bitrate of a 1440p youtube video is going to be around 20mpbs (±4). Your 50 down connection couldn't handle more than 2 streams. The lowest reported bitrate is 16mbps on their support page (https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171?hl=en#zippy=%2Cbitrate). 50/16 = 3.125, with network overhead you'd be VERY lucky to get 3 streams going without stuttering.
It's entirely possible that a family of 5 would run into issues if they're all home and some want to watch videos.
My family of 4 have been Plex trained... So I mitigate a lot of these problems personally.
But it's more likely that the 10 up breaks things even more. One person in the house uploading anything (or participating in zoom/teams/etc calls) will cripple your ability to make ANY request to the internet.
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Here in Ukraine we got 1000 mbit even in small villages via optic. For 7.5$/month. For the last 10 years at least. Before that the standard was 100 mbit ethernet. 20 years ago the standard was 30 mbit via coaxial tv cable.
Here in the UK, I can get 1GB up/down for about £30 ($38, or ₴1,434.60).
Must be nice.
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Since it takes so long to change the “standard” it should be set to 1-2GB per second or have it set to increase by 10-20% per year or something.
just like things like minimum wage?
Minimum wage (federally) hasn't gone up in almost 15 years
That’s their point, fyi. Not sure why you’re being downvoted though.
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Sounds good but there isn't any consumer equipment that can handle 2GB/s. Even 10 Gigabit Ethernet switches are super expensive and I don't think we have anything that can do more than 10Gb/s in the consumer Networking space at all .
Probably because there isn't demand, cause service is so slow.
Kind of a chicken/egg scenario.
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No shit. Fuck Ajit Pai.
Biden finally recently got the FCC back to protecting people, and not the damn phone and cable companies. Thank god.
Still a lot of mess to clean up though.
Don’t think they’re gonna undo the damage Pai did though. Dems are always so afraid of undoing the horrors the Reps do. Can’t shake the status quo.
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It hasn’t been “good enough” for a while now.
Man I really hope so. I'm in a 25/3 wasteland. My dad, a town over, is even lower. About 7/0.8.
Meanwhile in the Netherlands, I can choose between several gigabit providers. Symmetrical on fiber or asymmetrical on cable. I've been on gigabit fibre for a couple of years.
Can I have that problem instead of being stuck to a single ISP that charges more for copper wire service than they do fiber in the places they have it?
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Beats the 1.5/0.25 centurylink provides us
I live in podunk nowhere, but if the amount of time since I've had that speed could buy things, I think it'd be old enough to buy cigarettes.
Also I'm surprised CenturyLink is even still alive.
They rebranded as Lumen, so they could provide the same shitty service to people who were already wary of them.
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You guys are getting 25/3? Damn. Must be nice.
Ok but can we actually get 25/3 first? All raising it does is set low hanging fruit for newly "underserved" areas while there are still plenty of communities for whom 1Mbps terrestrial links would be a miracle.
5-10 down does just fine for streaming and video calls from my experience. My ISP is badly configured, so I get like 15-20 up.
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Yes, baby, right back at you.
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